Re: Theos-World Muck on Atlantis
Mar 16, 2006 05:10 PM
by krsanna
Cass -- once I get some scans made, I'll be happy to copy them to
you.
Best regards,
Krsanna
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> I am also very interested in this subject Krsanna, if you would
please cc it to me.
> Thanks
> Cass
>
> krsanna <timestar@...> wrote: Muck believed the meteors set off
volcanic eruptions along the
> mountain range that extends down the mid-Atlantic. Volcanic gases
> were so nasty that they could have gotten caught up in prevailing
> winds and affected the upper atmosphere, thus the entire planet.
> Damage done to the upper atmosphere could have allowed in greater
> solar radiation that affected many conditions of life, and
> particularly in Europe. Muck suggested that mutations occurred in
> areas across what is now Europe and that the White European is a
> mutant.
>
> The Rh positive blood factor is a mutation that appeared in Europe
> 10,000-12,000 years ago. That information is from a geneticist
who
> published on this in "The Alabama Journal of Medicine."
>
> Ozone damage had not yet been discovered at the time that Muck's
> book was published. Scientists didn't even talk about the
> possibility of ozone damage until the 1970's. Muck's
consideration
> of this was a good call.
>
> Damage to the ozone layer that is now allowing higher levels of
> solar radiation is capable of causing genetic mutations, and may
> explain many of the mutations observed in the last 20 years. I
have
> a strange story from Bolivia of an elderly woman who is now
> developing internally the equivalent of gills. These are present
> during embryonic development, but disappear in later gestation. I
> cannot verify the story, but her story is so detailed in medical
> terminology that it was certainly not a casual invention.
>
> Higher levels of cancer, particularly skin cancer among Whites,
and
> brain disorders have corresponded with the increasing levels of
> radiation from ozone damage.
>
> I'll try to get some scans made of the chapters we discussed and
> email them to you.
>
> Best regards,
> Krsanna
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Krsanna,
> >
> > I can indeed imagine the Soviet having a field day with that
> American.
> > Obviously the American scientist had a moment of confusion where
> he
> > merged Biblical mythology into scientific methodology. I don't
> whether
> > to laugh or be terrible embarrassed for the poor man. Should
like
> he
> > should have been a minister instead.
> >
> > I think a little background would put things into a better
> perspective.
> > The Continental Drift hypothesis was actually the product of a
> couple of
> > British scientists. The Idea quickly gained respect in GB, but
> when the
> > two Brits came to the US in the 60s to present their theory and
> its
> > supporting evidence, they were laughed out of the room. Since
> your
> > Soviet book was published in 1970, this American's comment had
to
> have
> > been made during the period when the theory was pretty much
> ignored by
> > American scientists. It took about ten years (mid 70s) before
the
> idea
> > began to take hold in the US. As it was taking hold, American
> > Scientists changed the name to Plate Tectonics. My guess is
that
> they
> > probably would have left the name alone if the theory originated
> here.
> > Anyway, the theory did go through a lot of modifications since
> 1970.
> >
> > This reminds me of a trip I took around '69 or '70 to Crater
Lake
> in
> > Oregon. I stayed close to the rangers and absorbed every word
> they said
> > about the geological history of the area. When I revisited the
> area
> > around '84, I talked to one of the rangers and repeated back
what
> the
> > previous ranger told me fifteen years earlier. The ranger
> said, "oh no,
> > that is all wrong." I was momentarily shocked that I could have
> > remembered it wrong. Then he explained that what the ranger
told
> me was
> > the correct theory for then, but it has completely changed
since.
> >
> > I googled Otto Muck. Interesting man. I'll have to see if I can
> pick up
> > a used copy of his book. Or I may already have it in some
> unopened box
> > somewhere.
> > He may have indeed intuited some things, and his data isn't
likely
> to
> > change. However, any scientific views he might have brought in
> are
> > going to be hopelessly outdated.
> >
> > I'm not surprised about the existence of a meteor field along
the
> coast
> > of So. Carolina, but I can't imagine how a meteor could sink a
> continent
> > without destroying the planet. Massive explosions, earthquakes,
> tidal
> > waves: yes. But anything powerful enough to sink a continent--
> even a
> > small one, would also create a massive extermination of life on
> the
> > planet. Perhaps, not everything, but it would be a major event.
> The
> > global distribution of plant and animal life has been a subject
of
> study
> > since the mid nineteenth century. Donnelly made extensive used
of
> this
> > material in his classic work. I recognize the Bashfor-Snell
> hypothesis
> > from some cable channel program on Atlantis. I wasn't too
> impressed
> > either.
> >
> > I think some of the best hints about Atlantis are in the SD.
But
> HPB
> > discusses the subject from several different angles, and if one
> doesn't
> > recognize that, or doesn't keep them straight, it all ends in a
> > confused mess. As I understand it, Lemuria and Atlantis are
first
> of
> > all references to the planet in general during the 3rd and 4th
> > evolutionary periods (i.e. "root races."). Ruta and Daitya are
> > references to the end of the Atlantian cycle which coincides
with
> the
> > midpoint of the present cycle. Poseidonis is a reference to a
> > relatively local disaster that wiped out a people who had a
> > relationship to the Atlantian period. A last /Remnant, so to
> speak.
> > Plato's Atlantis, more of a moral tale than history, appears to
> include
> > a distant memory of Posidonis. However, the more current
argument
> that
> > Thera was Plato's Atlantis has a ring of at least partial truth.
> >
> > Best
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > krsanna wrote:
> >
> > >Jerry -- On continental formation theories, Americans believe
(or
> > >did) that the oceans have always existed. The Soviet author
> quoted
> > >an American scientist, who, speaking at a conference,
essentially
> > >said, "The oceans are where God created them, right where
they've
> > >been since the beginning." (My paraphrase.) You can imagine
the
> > >Soviet had a field day with that American theory. The volcanic
> > >eruptions, according to the Soviet theory, was an intermediate
> > >event, but not the initial creational cause.
> > >
> > >Otto Muck a German engineer whose hobby was Atlantology, and
his
> > >family published the book after his death. The Soviet author
> refers
> > >to Muck's research, by the way.
> > >
> > >Muck found much evidence for the existence and subsidence of
> > >Atlantis. At the moment, I can't recall if Muck talked about
> > >anomalies of marine vegetation and eels on America's east
coast.
> > >But, anomalies in these are factual.
> > >
> > >Muck believed that Atlantis' sinking was associated with meteor
> > >hits, and demonstrated evidence of what looks like a massive
> > >meteorite field along the coast of South Carolina. This was
> fairly
> > >compelling because he was using aerial photos. He believed that
> > >parts of America's east coast recently sank while other parts
> rose
> > >as a result of the meteor hits and Atlantis sinking.
> > >
> > >THE ANDES
> > >
> > >"Atlantis: The Andes Solution" (John Bashford-Snell) is another
> book
> > >that has great photographic evidence, but I believe the
author's
> > >interpretation is way off base. He located a site in the Andes
> > >using satellite photographs -- he had worked in aerial
> intelligence
> > >in the Army. In the satellite photos concentric circles and
> canals
> > >cover an area approximately the size of Poseidon, as described
by
> > >Plato. When the authohr visited the site, the canals looked
like
> > >little valleys. In the satellite photos, however, the regular
> > >positioning and sizes of the concentric circles are apparent.
He
> > >believed that the sinking of Atlantis had caused the Andes to
> rise.
> > >
> > >Assuming that a global culture anciently existed, as I believe
it
> > >did, the similarity between one large center and another would
> not
> > >be surprising. The Andes as an ancient center for "The
Brothers"
> > >would be a good candidate for a city of that nature. I believe
> > >Plato's description was pretty good for several reasons.
> > >
> > >ANTARCTIC
> > >
> > >Another location that can be plausibly interpreted as man-made
> > >construction because of regularity of concentric circles
> separated
> > >by canals is beneath the ice in the Antarctic. I can't
remember
> > >precisely how it was identified, but it involved a study of the
> > >Antarctic.
> > >
> > >It is feasible that a global culture could have used signature
> > >design in large centers during the early part of the fourth
> round,
> > >which an advanced culture lived among humans on earth. Zecharia
> > >Sitchin locates a scientific base at the Antarctic in his Earth
> > >Chronicles.
> > >
> > >The Antarctic site is south of Easter Island, and that's
another
> > >interesting feature. My TimeStar geometry identifies Easter
> Island
> > >by latitude and longitude.
> > >
> > >Thar ya go.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Dear Krsanna,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I should mention that the Soviet writer believes that what is
> now
> > >>>the Atlantic Ocean was once a land mass, transfigured to
become
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >an
> > >
> > >
> > >>>ocean.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Interesting idea. The problem is that the Atlantic ocean
floor
> > >>
> > >>
> > >itself
> > >
> > >
> > >>(under the sediments) is made up of the volcanic matter that
> came
> > >>
> > >>
> > >from
> > >
> > >
> > >>the mid Atlantic ridge. Cores have been made on either side
of
> > >>
> > >>
> > >the
> > >
> > >
> > >>ridge and oceanographers have found that the volcanic matter
> gets
> > >>
> > >>
> > >older
> > >
> > >
> > >>at they get further from the ridge. According to current
dating
> > >>methods, the volcanic matter nearest the Eastern and Western
> > >>
> > >>
> > >shores of
> > >
> > >
> > >>the Atlantic date to about 180,000 years.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>As I said, and what is so interesting, is that the Soviet
> > >>>theories seemed to embrace the idea of metamorphosis as an
> > >>>evolutionary process, rather the mechanical pulling and
> shifting
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >of
> > >
> > >
> > >>>the continental drift theory.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>I think there is room for both. The absorption and recreation
> of
> > >>continents through subduction and volcanism strikes me as a
kind
> > >>
> > >>
> > >of
> > >
> > >
> > >>metamorphosis. Though, it seems that your Soviet writer had a
> > >>
> > >>
> > >different
> > >
> > >
> > >>idea about it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>If I get a chance, I'll see if I can scan from the Soviet
book
> > >>>chapters dealing with the core samples and inhabitants living
> on
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >the
> > >
> > >
> > >>>Canary Islands at the time of modern contact.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Yes, please. I am especially interested in those Canary island
> > >>
> > >>
> > >inhabitants.
> > >
> > >
> > >>>Have you read Otto Muck's book on Atlantis? His research on
> > >>>America's Atlantic coast was good.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>No, I'm afraid I haven't. What is his conclusions on Atlantis?
> > >>
> > >>Best,
> > >>Jerry
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>krsanna wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Jerry -- The copy that I have is in English. Isn't that
> > >>>interesting. It was written in English but was never
published
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >in
> > >
> > >
> > >>>America. So much for Cold War politics. The author used the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >term
> > >
> > >
> > >>>rock "DNA," by which I surmised he meant the mineral
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >composition. I
> > >
> > >
> > >>>searched the internet and found a copy in Ireland. I believe
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >there
> > >
> > >
> > >>>were copies in England as well.
> > >>>
> > >>>I should mention that the Soviet writer believes that what is
> now
> > >>>the Atlantic Ocean was once a land mass, transfigured to
become
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >an
> > >
> > >
> > >>>ocean. As I said, and what is so interesting, is that the
> Soviet
> > >>>theories seemed to embrace the idea of metamorphosis as an
> > >>>evolutionary process, rather the mechanical pulling and
> shifting
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >of
> > >
> > >
> > >>>the continental drift theory.
> > >>>
> > >>>And yet, continental drift has become tectonic plate theory.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >I've
> > >
> > >
> > >>>been reading "A Crack In The Edge Of The Earth," by Simon
> > >>>Winchester, but, unfortunately got sidetracked. With what?
> More
> > >>>HPB. Winchester is a good popular science writer. I read
his
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >book
> > >
> > >
> > >>>on Krakatoa. He frames geology with his human experience of
it.
> > >>>
> > >>>Research that has found identical rock in Siberia and the
> Western
> > >>>U.S. in being done at The University of Montana. I have not
> seen
> > >>>anything definitive published on it, and have seen just
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >interviews
> > >
> > >
> > >>>with the researcher, Dr. Sears.
> > >>>
> > >>>If I get a chance, I'll see if I can scan from the Soviet
book
> > >>>chapters dealing with the core samples and inhabitants living
> on
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >the
> > >
> > >
> > >>>Canary Islands at the time of modern contact.
> > >>>
> > >>>Have you read Otto Muck's book on Atlantis? His research on
> > >>>America's Atlantic coast was good.
> > >>>
> > >>>Best regards,
> > >>>Krsanna
> > >>>
> > >>>-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Dear Krsanna,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Thank you for this interesting post. I would appreciate any
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>references
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>you have to an English translation of the 1970 work, or
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >summaries
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>of
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>it. Of course they, and you, are right about something like
a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>continent
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>leaving marks. Then again, the theory has changed
remarkably
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>since
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Fritz's '64 address and since '70 also. The new data and
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>consequently
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>the ideas have changed so much that the oceanographers
changed
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >the
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>name
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>of the theory to "plate tectonics." They now understand
that
> it
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>is not
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>the continents that move, but the plates which the
continents
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >sit
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>upon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>glide over a very hot intermediary layer between the plates
> and
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>core. They understand the mid-Atlantic ridge to be evidence
> for
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>ocean
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>floor spreading and the "ring of fire" around the Pacific
> basin
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >as
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>"subduction zones" where the continental plates return to
the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>bowels of
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>the earth, only to be reformed again through volcanic
> activity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>Other
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>evidence of plate movement is the island arcs most commonly
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >found
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>in the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Pacific. The Hawaiian island chain is the best known
> example.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>They now
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>understand that island arcs are formed by the motion of the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>continental
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>plates over "hot spots." The overall theory seems to be
> pretty
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>tight at
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>the moment. That is, the main observations are accounted for.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Still, the Soviet finding of a land mass with 12,000 year
old
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>fresh
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>water vegetation is a fascinating discovery, though,
depending
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>upon its
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>exact location, could be accounted for by the last major ice
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>age. The
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>world's ocean depth, because of ice age cycles, vary by some
> 350
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>feet.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>They are near maximum right now. Also, the continents do
> rise
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>and sink
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>to a certain extent by other actions: the weight of
glaciers,
> a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>strange
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>"bulge" that has its own motion, and, in a more localized
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >extent,
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>earthquake activity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I'm interested in knowing what you mean by rock "DNA." But
> the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>canary
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Islands and Iceland would have been part of a single land
mass
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>about 180
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>to 200 million years ago. There have been a lot of matches
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>already made
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>between the rocks on the Eastern coast of the Americans and
> the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>Western
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>coast of Europe and Africa.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Best
> > >>>>Jerry
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>krsanna wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>I hope it's okay to interject into this discussion
> information
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>about
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>the mountain range that extends from Iceland in the north
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>southerly
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>through the mid-Atlantic. I've found some great Soviet
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >research
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>in
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>that identifies between Iceland and the Canary Islands a
land
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>mass
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>with fresh water vegetation carbon dated to about 10,000
> BCE.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>This
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>book was first printed in Moscow in 1970. Further, the
> Soviets
> > >>>>>found identical rock "DNA" in the sunken area as that found
> in
> > >>>>>Iceland.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>The Soviet theory of continental formation was very
different
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>than
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>the American theory of continental drift. (Perhaps some of
> the
> > >>>>>Russian members can provide more information on this.) The
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>Soviet
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>theory involved a metamorphosis of elements and believed
that
> > >>>>>something as large as a continent "drifting" would leave
> marks
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >of
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>some kind. (It makes sense to me.) I'm not convinced that
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >drift
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>adequately explains the phenomena of continental drift.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >Research
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>on
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>continental formation currently in process in the U.S. may
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >still
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>rewrite text books.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>As a Soviet publication, the book was never published in
the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>U.S. I
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>found it by searching on the internet: "Atlantis," by N.F.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>Zhirov.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>Soviet sciences were more open than America's, because they
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>didn't
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>have to seek approval of Christian voters. The result if
>
> === message truncated ===
>
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