Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00960)

Carlos -- Genetic changes in many species are occurring at this 
time.  I gave an example several weeks ago of a DNA study of trees 
around the world that a friend of mine is doing.  He's recently 
studied DNA changes in fungi, beetles and trees in the U.S., Africa, 
and Australia.  He and other scientists are "surprised."  Planetary 
temperatures began reaching new highs in the 1990's.  These are 
statements of specific facts.  

Human inventions are radically affecting the planet and its 
ecology.  Perhaps technologies periodically cause ecological 
collapses that allow life systems to decline then regenerate as 
cyclic events.

Your tend to leap to conclusions with sentimental statements that 
are your own inventions with little relevance -- yes that word 
relevance again -- to what is actually stated in a post.  You have 
done it again.   

Best regards,
Krsanna

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> 
> 
> Krsanna,
> 
> Changes would START in 1897-1900, and they DID.
> 
> These are heatlhy geological changes, which are regularly 
necessary -- with 
> absolutely no possibility of  an "end of the planet", and no  
danger of 
> "planet's death" whatsoever.
> 
> I wrote an article about present cycle changes  in "The Aquarian 
> Theosophist" recently.
> 
> If you carefully  read my previous posting, you will see I 
mentioned that in 
> some 25,000 years, according to HPB, the next subrace will be 
flourishing -- 
> no geological mention in this.
> 
> Our planet is healthy and it has a long, long  future.   It is 
under the 
> wise guidance of Those Who Know and who are Embodiments of the 
Universal 
> Law.
> 
> The SD teaches us all how it works, so that our hearts and minds 
get to 
> experience an inner  peace which is beyond short term views and 
worries.
> 
> 
> Best regards, Carlos.
> 
> 
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> 
> >From: "krsanna" <timestar@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Krsanna: Cycles &  Our Most  Healthy 
Planet
> >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:50:11 -0000
> >
> >Carlos -- I'm glad you brought up HPB's teachings about the sixth
> >subrace.  HPB also spoke about cycles and subcycle and taught that
> >an important subcycle of the Kali Yuga ended in 1897.  Human
> >functioning would be affected by the cyclic (or subcyclic) change 
in
> >1897.
> >
> >HPB was very concerned about an increase in psychism during the 
20th
> >century, after the new cyclic phase began after 1897.  She wanted 
to
> >provide a groundwork for ethics for the period when psychism would
> >increase in the 20th century.  (See Letters to the American
> >Convention 1888...)
> >
> >Since HPB spoke about various cycles and subcycles, one of which
> >ended in 1897, there's good reason to anticipate geological 
changes
> >could occur in the contemporary period.  Nothing in the SD ever 
said
> >that evolutionary cycles will occur only in 25,000 years.  On the
> >contrary, HPB anticipated tremendous changes in the 20th century.
> >And that's exactly what we've seen, including solar and 
geophysical
> >phenomena never before recorded in known history -- or, at least
> >historical accounts that survived the Vatican's march of 
destruction
> >through the world's cultures.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Krsanna Duran
> >
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Krsanna,
> > >
> > > Let me make one thing clear, if I may.
> > >
> > > HPB writes in the SD that in 25,000 years from now the sixth
> >subrace, fifth
> > > race, will be flourishing.
> > >
> > > Theosophy teaches that geological changes are routine from 
time to
> >time.
> > > They are linked to subraces chanfges and to race changes (as 
the
> >Atlantisd
> > > crisis illustrates).
> > >
> > > So, regardless of the seriousness of the geological changes 
which
> >we are
> > > living now and will live in the next years/decades, the PLANET 
is
> >not in
> > > danger, whatsoever, and humanity as such is not, also, even if
> >civilization
> > > is (and computers may be in danger too).
> > >
> > > The Masters, in their Letters, besides  HPB and W. Judge,
> >foretold some of
> > > the changes we may be about to see, and which are living 
already.
> > >
> > > Since the 1970s, many ecologists have started to add their 
voices
> >to it.
> > > Not to mention Edgar Cayce, etc.
> > >
> > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: Adyar's "Irrelevancy" & Our Planet
> > > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:41:25 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Carlos -- I hear what you say, and I see the factual 
existence of
> > > >events that only 10 years ago scientists did not believe was
> > > >possible, not to mention likely.  Arctic ice has been melting 
at
> >an
> > > >unprecedented rate that in 1997.  If you read carefully, you 
will
> > > >find that scientists really did not believe the current melt 
rate
> > > >was possible.
> > > >
> > > >When anyone can predict the cyclic events with even a modicum 
of
> > > >accuracy, I will trust that person's judgment about the
> > > >environmental condition.  I have been forecasting events with 
the
> > > >proto-Mayan calendar for over a decade and have a pretty good
> >track
> > > >record.
> > > >
> > > >In 1997-98, I predicted unprecedented melting of the ice caps
> >after
> > > >a series of cycles in the Mayan calendar suggested polar areas
> >were
> > > >a focus.  In 1998, I identified the location of the where the
> > > >December 26, 2004 earthquake was likely to occur.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards,
> > > >Krsanna
> > > >
> > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso 
aveline"
> > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Krsanna,
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no possibility that the planet will die.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is out of the question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Long, long  before the planet stopping being necessary for 
our
> > > >evolution,
> > > > > everyone will be Adept, and I mustll tell you: I haven't
> >attained
> > > > > adepthood yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am ashamed to say so, but I am still a mere aspirant to 
to
> >lay
> > > > > discipleship!
> > > > >
> > > > > So, WAIT !!!  I need this soil here!
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing that is at stake is, perhaps, a sub-race
> >crisis.  I
> > > >don't
> > > > > think it is a race crisis.
> > > > >
> > > > > The crisis of a sub-race (fifth subrace in the fifth race)
> >may be
> > > >an ugliy
> > > > > thing to live, but has NOTHING  to do with the death of a
> >planet,
> > > >if we read
> > > > > anything about Theosophy.
> > > > >
> > > > > And perhaps it is sub a crisis of a sub-subrace, or " 
family"
> > > >crisis, or
> > > > > civilization crisis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, within this civilization of ours, you know that every
> > > >generation has
> > > > > the humble habit to describe itself as "perhaps the last 
one",
> >as
> > > >the
> > > > > generation which will "make or break".  Holy Modesty!  And 
this
> > > >has been
> > > > > going on for thousands of years.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now,what about the practical use of understanding the  
history
> >of
> > > >the
> > > > > theosophical movement?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, in order to face our planetary crisis,  it is useful 
to
> > > >understand the
> > > > > movement, since it is an instrument ( I said 'a', not 'the'
> > > >instrument )
> > > > > created to help prepare next civilizations at a subtle 
level.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thus the relevancy of Narada TS' own history and 
tradition, for
> > > >instance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only by understanding what is true and false in the 
history of
> >the
> > > >movement
> > > > > we will be able to rescue the movement as a better 
intrument to
> > > >serve human
> > > > > progress in the future.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards and long life to the planet!   Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:22:12 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Electricity and magnetism are the twins of physicality.
> > > > > >Instantaneous electronic and computer capabilities changed
> >the way
> > > > > >the world thinks.  Individuals who grew up playing 
computers
> > > >games,
> > > > > >now in their 30's, perceive the world in different terms
> >than, for
> > > > > >instance, my father's generation.  My father was born in a
> >sod hut
> > > > > >in 1918, and the realities of the electronic world were
> >largely
> > > > > >outside his purview of the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The problems these kids must deal with are beyond anything
> > > > > >Theosophists who set the pace for this century – Olcott,
> >Besant,
> > > >and
> > > > > >Leadbeater – ever imagined.  Take a look at the article 
below
> >on
> > > > > >irreversible climate changes associated with the failure 
of
> >Arctic
> > > > > >ice to re-form.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The absurdity of Besant's "Coming" is a frivolous, if not
> >obscene,
> > > > > >concern in view of the exigencies of keeping the planet 
alive,
> > > > > >largely as a result of arrogant misuse and abuse of the
> > > >environment
> > > > > >at the hands of the "old" guys.  I am ashamed of the mess 
my
> > > > > >generation (Baby Boomer) is turning over to the Digital
> > > >generation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In this environment, the National Director of Education 
at TSA
> > > > > >questioned, "Should Christmas be saved?" in the National
> >Lodge's
> > > > > >first issue of their first elist.  The culture is 
outgrowing
> > > > > >Christmas.  (It's about time!!!)  ONE TSA MEMBER SUGGESTED
> > > >CHRISTMAS
> > > > > >SHOULD BE SAVED FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO STILL NEED IT.  As 
the
> > > >society
> > > > > >begins to reject Christianized dogma, and TSA members have
> >stepped
> > > > > >forward to save it for those who still need it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I believe HPB's cyclic model will be useful in "life and
> >death"
> > > > > >environmental issues.   That's why I keep talking about
> >cycles and
> > > > > >timewaves.  I backed into Theosophy looking for anything
> >available
> > > > > >on cycles after I had worked with the Mayan calendar more
> >than a
> > > > > >decade.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Best regards,
> > > > > >Krsanna
> > > > > >
> > > > > >CLIMATE CHANGE `IRREVERSIBLE' AS ARCTIC SEA ICE FAILS TO 
RE-
> >FORM
> > > > > >By Steve Connor, Science Editor
> > > > > >Published: 14 March 2006
> > > > > >Sea ice in the Arctic has failed to re-form for the second
> > > > > >consecutive winter, raising fears that global warming may 
have
> > > > > >tipped the polar regions in to irreversible climate 
change far
> > > > > >sooner than predicted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Satellite measurements of the area of the Arctic covered 
by
> >sea
> > > >ice
> > > > > >show that for every month this winter, the ice failed to
> >return
> > > >even
> > > > > >to its long-term average rate of decline. It is the second
> > > > > >consecutive winter that the sea ice has not managed to re-
form
> > > > > >enough to compensate for the unprecedented melting seen
> >during the
> > > > > >past few summers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Scientists are now convinced that Arctic sea ice is 
showing
> >signs
> > > >of
> > > > > >both a winter and a summer decline that could indicate a 
major
> > > > > >acceleration in its long-term rate of disappearance. The
> >greatest
> > > > > >fear is that an environmental "positive feedback" has 
kicked
> >in,
> > > > > >where global warming melts ice which in itself causes the
> >seas to
> > > > > >warm still further as more sunlight is absorbed by a dark
> >ocean
> > > > > >rather than being reflected by white ice…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dr Serreze said that some parts of the northern hemisphere
> > > > > >experienced very low temperatures this winter, but the 
Arctic
> >was
> > > > > >much warmer than normal. "Even in January, when there were
> > > >actually
> > > > > >record low temperatures in Alaska and parts of Russia, it 
was
> > > >still
> > > > > >very warm over the Arctic Ocean," he said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@>
> >wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 3/16/06, Drpsionic@ <Drpsionic@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 7:35:32 AM Central 
Standard
> > > >Time,
> > > > > > > > timestar@ writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The  internet by itself has done much to make Adyar
> > > >irrelevant.
> > > > > >I'm
> > > > > > > > more  interested in the terms of the Young 
Theosophists
> >that
> > > >I
> > > > > >am in
> > > > > > > > trying to  rescue the elder generation.  The older
> >generation
> > > > > >will
> > > > > > > > disappear and  return to seek truth in new cultural
> >terms.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In  the
> > > > > > > > rapidly becoming old days, groups and organizations 
were
> > > > > >necessary
> > > > > > > > because  the
> > > > > > > > means of communication made them necessary.  That 
may no
> > > >longer
> > > > > >be
> > > > > > > > the  case.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chuck the Heretic
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Amen.
> > > > > > > Transportation and communication are some of the key
> >factors
> > > >that
> > > > > >have
> > > > > > > changed the world for good, much to the chagrin of the
> >older
> > > > > >generation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > mkr
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