Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt01217)

John-

You wrote:

"Thanks for your reply and comments. I now remember you 
mentioned "trance conditioning" and "astral" consciousness 
experiences in your earlier posts. I for one would enjoy knowing 
those things you feel comfortable in giving here on the Forum. I am 
always interested in observations of others."

I am more than pleased to discuss any topic that you'd like.  I may 
not always give the right answer, but I'll give it my best shot.  
And you may get a few paradigms, but the purpose of such paradigms 
is not so much to create clash, but rather to potentially merge 
different perspectives into one after a wholistic fashion.

I believe that questions that commonly go unanswered in one field of 
knowledge are often easily answered in another distant field of 
knowledge.  But since the different fields of knowledge stand so 
currently fragmented at our level of human race development, we 
often miss many of the clues which are so readily available to us.

"There is a clash of paradigms here though I might let you know, 
however there are some here that grant Beingness to others in free 
exchange of communications. One thing Blavatsky taught of the "Seven-
fold economy of the Being" this is here most Theosophist reference 
some of the things you have to some degree posited here. There are 
some here there evidence strict adherence to the Seven-fold economy 
descriptions of the Theosophical works and do not entertain other 
possibilities even when half the world attests to it 
notwithstanding, it is a Dogma to some."

Here is my own rendition of a 'seven-fold ecomomy', although I'm not 
completely familiarized with Blavatsky's as yet.

Firstly, here are the three states of ENERGY BEINGS, each one more 
material than the other, after the fashion of steam, water and ice, 
in the context of evolutionary malleability:

1. Spiritual Body (inherently divine and pure, but only percievable 
in the context of a spiritually enlightened psyche)
2. Mystical Body (a darkened and fallen ghost form which veils the 
spiritual body, when an entity's psyche is spiritually unenlightened)
3. Physical Body (our outermost physical shell which acts as a 
vehicle to percieve and interact with the mortal reality around us 
composed of lower frequency matter)

Secondly, the four primary components of the PSYCHE which permeate 
the first three, either unconsciously, subconsciously or consciously:

1. Mind (our thoughts; where we think)
2. Heart (our emotions; where we feel)
3. Will (our volition; where we choose)
4. Conscience (where we assess morality)

   "I am not at all sure in what way you define your use 
of "Archonic" species, the Gnostic use is "Ruler" or "Authority," 
whereas Phillip K. Dick applied his own definition in his modern 
works. Term is from the Greek and some Christian uses also both of 
the past and the present."

I'm using the word 'archonic' in the Greek biblical context, so you 
are entirely correct.

"I am not much of an "astral" voyager in your sense of it so there 
isn't much I can contribute there. The Buddhist have habit in their 
treatise to begin "Thus I have heard" but in ancient times it was 
also said "Thus I have seen" and it was accorded that by sight a 
more accurate record and understanding might be obtained compared to 
only "Hearing." So let us indulge to the degree you like here."

Incidentally, the ancient prophets of the Old Testament were 
formerly called 'seers' before they were ever called prophets, 
referencing their supernatural visions.

   "Have you read or studied The Yoga Sutra of Patanjali? The Tacoma 
Lodge is a Theosophical Lodge in Washington State that is of long 
standing and is currently in a dispute with the National entity."

I am unfortunately completely unfamiliar with the Yoga Sutra of 
Patanjali, although I'm sure it's a fine work of literature.

"The Links I posted revolve around three items:
   1. The DNA Data communication with the Non-local Quantum Matrix.
   2. The Phantom DNA Phenomena
   3. The Memory of Water (retention of complete template data after 
removal of all physical molecule)"

Herein, I will assume the role of a 'metaphysical pseudo-
scientist'.  I believe that the universe is both infinitely eternal 
and eternally infinite, well beyond our current space/time 
measurements.  The universe is composed of steam, water and ice 
(energy, energy/matter, and matter).  The universe's core DNA 
blueprint is in the steam (energy), with multiple subordinate DNA 
imprints located in the ice (matter).  We have materially observed 
the fingerprints of an invisible 'GOD'.

   "All three are dependent upon the Non-local Quantum Matrix in 
order to be operative and present. It is the ability of transference 
of essential information and data between the physical reality we 
know and the Non-local Quantum Matrix that is a critical function 
the effects perpetual form transformation and change based 
upon "ideal" requisitioning from the infinite "Archetypes" of the 
Non-local Quantum Field as a gradual incremental gradient of 
supervised transformation of all species of life."

I posit that consciousness is necessary for this to occur.  Without 
consciousness at both energy and cellular levels, there is no 
evolutionary metamorphosis.  Consciousness is necessary for the 
communication of energy and matter.  (My theory anyway.)

"I believe this is a complementary knowledge to the works of Madame 
Blavatsky and to be revenant to current discussion as to Darwin, 
Evolution, and Life Forms. this is simply my own individual opinion, 
each other center of opinion generation will likely posit a uniquely 
individual viewpoint."

Seems like a good idea.

  "I have seen ghosts or "shells" as called in Theosophical usage. I 
have also seen other perceptions on sundry occasion and I along with 
other at the same time have had unique experiences."

Please feel free to share.  Such experiences are apt to impress upon 
us that the universe is larger and more intricate than we know.

Blessings

Vince

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, samblo@... wrote:
>
> Vince,
>    Thanks for your reply and comments. I now remember you 
mentioned "trance 
> conditioning" and "astral" consciousness experiences in your 
earlier posts. I 
> for one would enjoy knowing those things you feel comfortable in 
giving here on 
> the Forum. I am always interested in observations of others. There 
is a clash 
> of paradigms here though I might let you know, however there are 
some here 
> that grant Beingness to others in free exchange of communications. 
One thing 
> Blavatsky taught of the "Seven-fold economy of the Being" this is 
here most 
> Theosophist reference some of the things you have to some degree 
posited here. 
> There are some here there evidence strict adherence to the Seven-
fold economy 
> descriptions of the Theosophical works and do not entertain other 
possibilities 
> even when half the world attests to it notwithstanding, it is a 
Dogma to some.
> 
>    I am not at all sure in what way you define your use 
of "Archonic" 
> species, the Gnostic use is "Ruler" or "Authority," whereas 
Phillip K. Dick applied 
> his own definition in his modern works. Term is from the Greek and 
some 
> Christian uses also both of the past and the present. I am not 
much of an "astral" 
> voyager in your sense of it so there isn't much I can contribute 
there. The 
> Buddhist have habit in their treatise to begin "Thus I have heard" 
but in ancient 
> times it was also said "Thus I have seen" and it was accorded that 
by sight a 
> more accurate record and understanding might be obtained compared 
to only 
> "Hearing." So let us indulge to the degree you like here. 
> 
>    Have you read or studied The Yoga Sutra of Patanjali? The 
Tacoma Lodge is 
> a Theosophical Lodge in Washington State that is of long standing 
and is 
> currently in a dispute with the National entity.
> 
> The Links I posted revolve around three items:
>   1. The DNA Data communication with the Non-local Quantum Matrix.
>   2. The Phantom DNA Phenomena
>   3. The Memory of Water (retention of complete template data 
after removal 
> of all physical molecule)
> 
> All three are dependent upon the Non-local Quantum Matrix in order 
to be 
> operative and present. It is the ability of transference of 
essential information 
> and data between the physical reality we know and the Non-local 
Quantum Matrix 
> that is a critical function the effects perpetual form 
transformation and 
> change based upon "ideal" requisitioning from the 
infinite "Archetypes" of the 
> Non-local Quantum Field as a gradual incremental gradient of 
supervised 
> transformation of all species of life. I believe this is a 
complementary knowledge to 
> the works of Madame Blavatsky and to be revenant to current 
discussion as to 
> Darwin, Evolution, and Life Forms. this is simply my own 
individual opinion, 
> each other center of opinion generation will likely posit a 
uniquely individual 
> viewpoint.
>    I have seen ghosts or "shells" as called in Theosophical usage. 
I have 
> also seen other perceptions on sundry occasion and I along with 
other at the same 
> time have had unique experiences. 
> 
> Regards,
>  John
> 
> 
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