Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00013)

Frank,

Can you tell us more about the Rabbis' connection in this, regarding Masonry and France? 

I have deep respect and admiration for the Jewish wisdom tradition, which is very much present in HPB's writings. 

I also have a deep respect for the Jewish (and Arab, and German) people, but I can see that some Rabbis do work just like some Christians, as some Hindus and some Islamists, in a clearly anti-Brotherhood direction. 

(You know that the origin of the "theosophical masonry" is France.) 

Best regards,  Carlos. 



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Data:Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:48:12 +0200

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Inner Teachings

> Carlos, I agree with what you say here.
> In Besant's organization not only blind belief in 
> the alleged second coming of Christ was a must, 
> but also to accept the King of England as their 
> highest authority.
> All these perversions are not coming from HPB's 
> spiritual Masters, but from wordly rabbis in 
> Paris. Papus, Solovyov and Steiner were also 
> influenced from this dark French masonic craft.
> One of their lies, which was promoted by Steiner, 
> was that the kali yuga has ended in 1897. The 
> background of this perversion is of course to lull 
> to sleep the warriors of the white side.
> 
> Frank
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "carlosaveline" 
> To: "theos-talk" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:57 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Inner Teachings
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> Dear Friends, Frank,
> 
> The tradition of "private circulation of texts", 
> of inner or esoteric teachings, dates from 
> ancient India, Greece, Egypt. And appears in the 
> NT, when Jesus subscribes such a policy.
> 
> It has a very simple purpose: to work with people 
> who are willing to take the teachings 
> seriously -- as the material can only be useful 
> to those who will TRY to apply it in their lives.
> 
> In this, Theosophy coincides with William James' 
> philosophy, "Pragmatism".
> 
> Ideas make sense inasmuch they enhance life and 
> preserve the autonomy of living beings.
> 
> So the practical purpose of a school, be it 
> exoteric or otherwise, is to give people elements 
> to change their lives for the better -- without 
> extracting blind obedience vows as the ones A. 
> Besant's school and her Liberal Catholic Church 
> did.
> 
> In AB's E.S., in 1912, the vow taken by members 
> included faith in the Second Coming of the 
> Christ.... through Krishnamurti. This is the "eye 
> doctrine".
> 
> The commitment made at lower levels of 
> consciousness becomes a prisoner of words and -- 
> of outer "authority".
> 
> Carlos.
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> Assunto:Re: Theos-World What is sauce for the 
> goose is sauce for the gander??
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> > Daniel, I do not think that HPB meant that her
> > esoteric information should be held private up 
> > to
> > the end of the seventh round.
> > Withholding of esoteric information is only 
> > meant
> > for a certain period of time, when the general
> > mankind has developed a little bit to understand
> > it.
> >
> > One period of time was over in 1897. It is not
> > impossible that Annie Besant was right to 
> > publish
> > some of the E.S. information.
> > Another question would be if she did it well,
> > including "correct" true information in the vol.
> > III if compared with the "Wurzburg" manuscript
> > (which I personally believe not)
> > And we have not the original manuscript (except
> > the Wurzburg parts), the bulk of it which AB,
> > according to Boris de Zirkoff, has had in her
> > hands and went with it to an unknown place.
> >
> > Perhaps in that connection it might be of 
> > interest
> > that the German branch which HPB founded here 
> > was
> > named TS Germania (and not TS Germany).
> > The Germania is the goddess which protects 
> > Germany
> > and stands for her unity (which the Jesuits try 
> > to
> > destroy, as HPB writes elsewhere, as the SJ were
> > founded with the goal to dissiptae her, which 
> > they
> > did in two 30 years wars (resulting in the
> > so-called "peace treaties" of Westfalia and of
> > Versailles and its dissipations).
> > From all bombed towns during WWII Wurzburg was
> > relatively the most destroyed city: 96 per cent 
> > of
> > Wurzburg's houses were destroyed.
> > The German army signed the surrender on White
> > Lotus Day, May 8th, the day of HPB's death. It 
> > was
> > also the death of Germany and was dissipated 
> > anew.
> >
> > We are not able to decide whether Besant was 
> > right
> > or wrong so long as we do not have and 
> > understand
> > the esoteric rules if and when which document or
> > information can or must be published.
> > Reading the introduction of the late W. Emmett
> > Small of von Purucker's E.S. Instructions, one 
> > can
> > asume that such rules exists in the inner world.
> >
> > The Buddha was accused of having make public the
> > esoteric doctrines of the Brahmans, also Jesus 
> > was
> > accused of making public the esoteric doctrines 
> > of
> > the Essenes. Also Katherine Tingley was accused,
> > when she gave out information of the Lodge's 
> > work
> > over messengers coming from Shamballa (rejected 
> > by
> > the ULT as Crosbie accepted only HPB and WQJ as
> > messengers).
> > Also von Purucker was accused, when in 1929 he
> > began to give his pupils new esoteric tenets,
> > which certainly HPB also knew (as the doctrine 
> > of
> > the inner and outer rounds, etc., rejected by 
> > the
> > ULT).
> > Frank
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
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> > Subject: Theos-World What is sauce for the goose
> > is sauce for the gander??
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> > What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the
> > gander??
> >
> > When I publicly posted some extracts from one of
> > HPB's Esoteric
> > Instructions, you wrote me that you strongly
> > protested my posting of
> > these HPB quotations from an "esoteric" or
> > "private" document.
> >
> > You also suggested that such "posting" did an
> > "injustice" to the
> > Mahatmas.
> >
> > Therefore I assume that if other writers besides
> > me did something
> > similar that you would ALSO object if not
> > "protest" to a quoting of
> > this esoteric material, right?
> >
> > If your answer is yes, then I call your 
> > attention
> > to the following:
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> > Read more at:
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> > http://blavatskyarchives.com/sauceforthegoose.htm
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