Re: Christina & How Many Lives?
May 11, 2006 01:13 PM
by christinaleestemaker
Thanks, Carlos;
I know what is zen- zen zin and zen onzin we said in Dutch language,
also one have wrtitten a book with that title.
means zen sense and zen non sense.
Is it not possibly in a certain stage of attainment to choose for
the path on earth out of responsability for others
.
how to get liberation? I think not to get, but one have it or not
and maybe some ones need to get.
christina
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
>
> Christina,
>
> Thanks!
>
> First, I cannot resist repeating my point:
>
> Yes, as you say, "shatsampatti and vairâgya(sometimes) can be
difficult, but WE BOTH think all is possible in one life, provided
we know how".
>
> Yet, dear Christina, how many one-pointed lives are necessary to
KNOW HOW to get to Liberation?
>
> Quite a few. I do not use this as a tamasic excuse. Take my word
for that. V. of the S. gives an average number of lives -- AFTER a
certain stage is attained...
>
> As to "Zen", the word is a Japanese adaptation of Chinese "Ch'an",
which on its turn comes from "Jnana" and "Dzyan".
>
> Best regards and always nice to talk to you, Carlos.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 19:40:06 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Christina & Enlightenment
>
> > -Carlos, what is ZEN = nothing or NO THING.
> >
> >
> > Who is telling us a few lives?
> > Who has come back to inform that?
> >
> >
> > shatsampatti and vairâgya(sometimes) can be difficult,
> > but I think all is possible in one life, provided we know how.
> > christina.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Christina,
> > >
> > > The problem with the sudden enlightenment Zen is that
> > enlightenment can be sudden -- but you must quietly practice the
way
> > quite a few lives, before you get to it....
> > >
> > > So the way can be said to be long....
> > >
> > > Minor insights can be attained more easily, though, can't
they?
> > >
> > > Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Cópia:
> > >
> > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:38 -0000
> > >
> > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Christina, Vairagya & Viveka
> > >
> > > > -Carlos. I think it is a long way to Sâdhanâchatushtaya
> > > >
> > > > greetings Christina.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Christina,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks. Real nice to talk to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Life taught me people do not have to have any bad
intentions
> > to
> > > > make absurdities and injustices. In fact, bad intentions are
> > really
> > > > rare facts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet good intentions without Vairagya -- and therefore with
> > scarce
> > > > Viveka --
> > > > > are most common.
> > > > >
> > > > > But people improve and learn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Cópia:
> > > > >
> > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:53:12 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: To Christina on Katinka
> > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos. on that net of her she have English as well as
Dutch
> > > > > > literature published.
> > > > > > But I can say I never follow her, because she is not in
my
> > > > interest.
> > > > > > greetings Christina.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will look for Katinka in the future, if I have the
time
> > and
> > > > > > think it worthwhile.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So far, I would welcome her presence here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess you are absolutely right about people who, as
you
> > > > > > say, "take the power (authority) to them with all kind
of
> > > > nonsense".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As to me, I am reasonably interested in what goes one
in
> > the
> > > > > > movement and enjoy practising some English, while
exchanging
> > > > views
> > > > > > with friends.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:35:49 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: To Christina on the Funny
Letter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Carlos;
> > > > > > > > There are a lot of persons in TS , who pretented to
be
> > > > > > theosophist,
> > > > > > > > but they only are philosophs.
> > > > > > > > It is up to us to make discernments.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > By the way, she is a young woman(teacher out of
work)
> > who
> > > > have
> > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > own group at yahoo under the names:
> > > > > > > > groups.yahaoo.com/group/theosophie-groep and
> > > > > > > > groups.yahoo.com/group/hermes
> > > > > > > > and maybe a lot more and she also have her own work
or
> > > > changed
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > of TS under www. katinkahesselink.net/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There you can contact here and ask for her vieuw.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But I can say I never be interested of vieuws of
others,
> > I
> > > > > > search
> > > > > > > > for the first hand knowledge and not from others who
> > take
> > > > the
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > (authority) to them with all kind of nonsense.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > greetings Christina.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I wish Katinka were here to explain her views.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not at home now, so I do not have the letter
> > > > verbatim.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is a letter recently published in FOHAT in
which,
> > > > repeating
> > > > > > > > Paul Johnson and Daniel Caldwell, Katinka suggests
HPB
> > faked
> > > > > > > > phenomena.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now, Paul Johnson and Daniel Caldwell have several
> > things
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > common, one of them being they both admit they are
NOT
> > > > > > theosophists.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Katinka and Algeo say they are theosophists.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:17:44 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Katinka's Letter Good for
> > Laughing
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Carlos; -Now you make me awake
> > > > > > > > > > About what letter it was going?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I know a lot of certain TS persons are as
> > manipulative
> > > > as
> > > > > > what,
> > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > what letter brings unfair information?
> > > > > > > > > > Greetings Christina.
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > Chuck,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You say Katinka's letter must be good. It was.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Good for laughing. And false, too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cópia:
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> > > > > > > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 13:15:09 EDT
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Carlos brings up
Katinka
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/11/2006 10:50:27 AM
Central
> > > > > > Standard
> > > > > > > > Time,
> > > > > > > > > > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What has she written that puts her
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the same category as Algeo, Johnson and
> > Caldwell??
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> > > > > > > > > > > > It must have been good, whatever it was.
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