Theos-Talk Archives (June 2006 Message tt00013)

6/1/2006 6:47 AM

Dear Chris:

Do you have a reference to your statement:

"Subject: Re: VIRACHOCHA and INTI Venus = upper-sun.

and Venus is behind our Sun, the great living giving deity from which 
our sun get 1/3 of the Venus radiance.

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I found in the SECRET DOCTRINE :

VENUS (goddess). See  LUCIFER

     Aditi identified w II 43, 458 
Amphitrite early form of II 578 
-Aphrodite, Argha & II 461 
-Aphrodite personified sea I 458n 
associated w Satan II 31-2n, 45n 
-Astarte & Kadeshim II 460 
Ashtoreth, Jehovah & II 462 
bearded I 72n; II 30n, 135 
born fr sea wave II 65 
celestial Priapus born of II 458 
w cow's horns II 31, 418n 
described II 29-33 
Durga Kali black side of II 579 
Hiram built temple to II 541 
Ishtar & II 62 
    Isis or II 30, 43 
Jehovah-Binah or I 392 
   Kama son of II 176 
Lakshmi or I 380n; II 76 &n, 77, 578-9 
leader of Danavas II 498 
Lucifer-, war w Jupiter I 202 
   origin of mythology of II 30 
   passive generative power II 418n, 461 
six sacred to, (Pythagorean) II 592 
star of the sea I 392 
Usanas or, aid Soma in war II 498 
Usanas-Sukra is, & Lucifer II 45 
Virgin took over, worship I 400-1 
wife, mother, sister I 396
Venus (planet)
adept's' knowledge of races on II 699 
   adopted Earth II 32-3 
ansated cross symb of II 30, 31n 
called little sun II 24 
changes along w Earth II 32 
described II 29-33, 707 
   Earth linked w II 30-1 
Friday the day of I 652 
hostile to human life II 707 
inclination of axis of II 32 
   in last round I 165 
less dense than Earth I 593 
    light-bearer to Earth II 33 
looking glass sign of II 546 
Lucifer or I 202; II 30, 31-2 &n, 45n, 501, 512, 540 
   Mars, Mercury &, lower triad II 462 
men of, more gross I 602 
   Mercury more occult than II 28 
Moon, water & II 77 
Morning Star II 540 
no satellites I 155n, 165; II 32 
   one w Mercury & Sun II 542 
Orai genius of I 577; II 538n 
   parent moon of, dissolved I 155-6n 
planetary chain I 164 
Principalities gods of I 435 
rulers, regents of I 435, 575 
Semele presides betw Mars & I 400 
   sign of, explained I 5; II 29-30 
   Sophia, Holy Ghost & II 512, 540 
superior globes of, invisible I 153 
   third race under II 24, 29
Venus (third world of Syrians), Principalities rule over I 435


VENUS-LUCIFER. See also Lucifer, Lucifer-Venus, Morning Star, Venus
descends to pit II 785-6 
   Moon more influential than I 305 
   sister, alter ego of Earth I 305


LUCIFER. See also Agnishvattas, Angels, 
	Asuras, Fall, Prometheus, Satan, Venus
Adversary in lowest aspect II 162 
aether, astral light II 511-13 
both Holy Ghost & Satan II 513 
   conferred spiritual immortality II 243, 388 
crescent-like horns of II 31-2n 
   essence of Mahat II 513 
fallen cherub II 501 
first archangel fr chaos I 70 
"Harbinger of Light" II 243 
higher, older than Jehovah I 70-1 
Hindu, can reunite w deity II 237n 
Levi on II 511 
"light-bringer" II 238n 
   Logos in highest aspect II 162 
Loki, Prometheus were II 283n 
Mahasura, Prometheus II 237n 
messenger, seraphim, cherubim II 243 
Morning Star I 70-1; II 45n, 238n, 239, 501, 540 
   origin of II 490-2 
pontiff name II 33 
   presides over light of truth II 512 
Satan & I 70-1; II 31-2 &nn, 45n, 111, 230, 283n 
   serpent of Genesis II 243 
spirit of intellect II 162 
Usanas-Sukra is our II 45n 
Venus called, by Christians II 30-2, 45n, 501, 512 
   Verbum &, are one II 515
Egyptian initiation scenes II 558-9 
revelation of cosmogony I 168
Luciferians, Gnostic sect II 239n
   Michael & I 202 
Pistis Sophia on II 512 
St Augustine's ideas & II 32 
   Titans & II 31


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SUN   	See Central Sun, Solar, Solar Systems, Surya

Adonai or, (Gnostic) I 577; II 538n 
all Earth's elements in I 583 
Apollo, Phoebus or II 770 
born, grows, changes, dies I 609 
   bright god of light I 479 
Brothers of the I 271n 
central mass of, gaseous I 530 &n 
chief of twelve constellations II 23 
-Christ lives in thee (Bernard) I 401 
combustion, not in I 149, 541, 591 
Commentary on I 289-92 
conjunction of, Moon, & Earth II 76, 435 
connection w cross II 559 
contains many unknown elements I 583 
contraction & expansion of I 541-2 
creation of, (Chald) II 145 
creation of life by I 294 
creation of seven new I 290 
crocodile & II 577 
deviated fr course, (Phaethon) II 535 
   divine spirit symb by fire or II 113 
dragon symbol of II 380 
      eclipses of, & allegories II 380 
   eleven year cycle of I 541 &n 
evolution of I 101-2 
evolved fr primal matter I 625 
explosion of, & planets I 500 
eye of Odin or I 402 
"eye of Osiris" II 25 
Father II 462, 540 
father of man II 105, 109 
father of pneuma, human soul II 113 
Father of the seven fathers I 575n 
fed on "Mother's refuse & sweat" I 102 
feminine to Semites once I 397 
     fire, air, &, three occult degrees of fire II 114 
first race under II 29 
-fluids awaken life, motion I 529 
     focus, lens of primordial light I 580 
formation of, & stars I 595n, 602 
generation, Moon & I 229 
gives life to planets I 386; II 23 
glowing, not burning I 149, 541, 591 
gods called Archagetos II 463n 
guardian of Jupiter I 493 
has no nucleus (Williams) II 136n 
   has no polar compression I 593 
heart of solar world I 540-2 
heat of I 102, 149, 484n, 528, 591 
highest god II 361, 538 
   incandescent, a fallacy I 149, 591 
initiation of II 381 
   inner man drawn to Parent- I 639 
jiva (soul) goes to I 132 
Joshua stopped II 535 
kama-rupa of akasa I 527n 
Kant's theories on I 602 
larger than Earth (1300 times) II 708 
legend of Rahu & II 381 
legend of Sanjna & II 174 
as the Logos I 134n, 428 
luminosity of, (science) I 528n 
   as a magnet I 497-9, 501 
     manas, kama-rupa fr II 241 
Mercury & II 28 
Mercury Messiah of II 541 
Messiah, Christos II 23 
Metcalf's caloric flows fr I 524 &n 
millions of I 576n 
Mithra, Iao & II 474 
     Moon &, affect man's body I 229 
Moon &, cycles discussed II 620-1 
Moon &, Son & Father I 229 
Moon as eye of I 304-5 
neither rises nor sets I 290n; II 155 
   not a planet but fixed star I 448 
not cause of light, heat I 580 
noumenon of electricity I 531 
occult influence on seven planets I 575n 
path of, called serpent II 356 
perturbing influence on planets I 503 
planets &, time measurers II 621 
     planets brothers not sons I 101, 449, 588-9 
planets did not evolve fr I 101, 588-9 
     at pralaya I 370, 376; II 69n, 611 
rebirth of northern, & Ankh II 547 
reflect concealed primaries I 289 
regulates manifested life II 595 
revolves round Alcyone (Madler) I 501 
rises & sets once a year, (Avesta) II 291 
   rising, setting of, (Vishnu Purana) II 155 
   rose in the south II 535 
   rotates w the planets I 100 &n 
Sabasius, called II 419 
self-moving, queried I 670 
seven I 179 
sevenfold I 290 &n 
   seven(fold) ray(s) I 290, 515 &n; II 25, 69n 
   seventh planet, ancients called I 99-100n 
as seventh principle I 527n 
in ship on back of crocodile I 409-10 
solidity of, repudiated I 591 
source of vital force I 531 
spectroscope shows outer, only I 528 
spectrum of I 143n, 528, 595-6 
spheres of action of II 621 &n 
spirit of fire resides in, (Kepler) I 493 
     spirit of light, life giver I 481 
spirits oversee, (Kepler) I 499 
      spiritual, & avataras, saviors I 638 
spiritual, enlivens kosmos II 23 
spirit under the, (Zohar) II 553 
substance of all I 289 
substance of, immaterial I 499 
substitute for sacred planet I 575 &n 
surface described I 530, 531 
swallow comets I 204 
symbol became phallic II 584 
symbolizes resurrection II 459 
in Taurus (Druids, Magi) II 759 
Thomson on age of I 501; II 10n, 258n 
threatened younger brothers I 102 
understanding II 639n 
unknown rays in spectrum of I 143n 
Uranus, Neptune, & I 575 
various names for I 463; II 540 
vehicle of a god I 479 
     Venus "the other" II 24, 31 
Vishnu becomes II 38 
     visible, a maya or reflection I 179 
     vital electricity of, & man II 105 
warmed sweat-born egg II 131 
     zodiacs & II 431
Sun (Fourth World of Syrians), mightiest gods in I 435
Sun-Abrasax, central spiritual sun II 214


	LIGHT    FIRE   HEAT    COLD

absolute, is darkness I 69-70, 201, 337; II 95, 489 
Adam Kadmon, Sephirah or I 337 
adepts know every phase of I 516 
Aditi or primordial II 107 
      aspect of universal motion I 147 
"Boundless," of Gnostics I 577 
called a god esoterically I 672 
can be stored (Grove) I 508-9 
chemical action of terrestrial I 597 
comes fr darkness I 40-1; II 485-6, 488, 492 
cosmic desire becomes absolute I 201 
cosmic principle of II 41 
creative II 233, 239 
     darkness & I 70, 450; II 162, 412-14 
darkness &, eternal ways (Gita) I 86 
      differentiated, becomes Fohat I 216 
discribed I 41, 70, 481-9, 579-80; II 37-40 
     drops ray into Mother I 64 
     electricity & I 508-9, 579-80 
eternal, or Ptah II 553 
fatal, of Levi II 512 
Fire, Flame &, (Stanzas) I 81-2 &n 
     force, vibration I 483 
generated in darkness II 492 
in Genesis I 337, 356n, 450 
God not, but cause of I 285 
heat & I 2-3, 515n; II 130 
infinite ocean of I 481 
      is cold flame I 82 
of Logos, Christos I 216; II 38 
Lords of Being & condensed II 33 
     minerals are, crystallized & immetallized II 169 
mysteries focus of II 281 
nature of, not understood I 493 
not matter (Grove) I 484 
   noumenal, phenomenal I 145-6 
Occult Catechism on I 120 
physical, reflects divine I 259n 
Pleroma vehicle of II 511 
primeval, Amun as source of II 130 
primordial, dual II 36-7 
     primordial, is seventh principle I 216 
primordial, Mithras as II 130 
primordial, or central sun I 344 
produces no evil II 490 
     purely phenomenal effect I 146 
science re I 530-1, 554, 591, 595, 597 
secondary effect of other causes I 484 
     shadow &, exist eternally II 214 
shineth in darkness I 70 
sidereal, of Paracelsus I 255 
      sons of I 31, 106, 138-9, 196, 239, 481, 572, 575 
spirit & matter I 481 
spiritual, how men put out II 413 
springs fr upadhi of ether I 515n 
Sun not cause of I 580 
svara &, (Subba Row) I 270n 
swan symbol of I 357 
     three kinds of II 37-8 
     three sacred number of II 590 
true source of I 621n 
ultimate causes of, discussed I 514-17 


	FIRE   HEAT    COLD

See  Agni, Elements, Fires, Heat, Parsis

active, male principle II 130 
aether &, atma-buddhi I 216 
aether in purest form I 87 
Agni (Vedic) II 101, 114, 381, 413-14n 
air, water, earth & I 284; II 114, 616 
Al-Orit god of II 361 
angels (kumaras) II 243 
     born of water I 379 
burns away lower senses II 639 
circles of II 103, 232, 275n 
     cold, luminous I 250 
      deity presiding over time I 86 
destroyed some races II 307n, 309, 725-6 
discovered by inventors II 373 
dragon of wisdom fr water & I 470 
     essence of, & flame I 6 
ethereal & terrestrial I 469 
finds refuge in water I 402 
first after the One I 216, 447 
first manifest material I 250 
flame of, endless I 85n 
by friction explained in Vedas I 523 
gandharva forces of solar I 523n 
genii of, are Kabiri-Titans II 363 
giving knowledge of future I 339 
God is a living, (Acts) I 121 
god of II 236n 
gods discussed I 340-1 
higher self in Anugita II 638 &n 
Holy Ghost as, [Acts] I 402 
hydrogen is "fire, air, & water" II 105 
initiation trials of II 566n 
is all the deities I 101; II 567 
Isis & Osiris or water & II 583 
kabbalistic works on I 339 
Karttikeya born fr water & II 550 
least understood of elements I 120-2 
life, heart, pulse of universe I 216 
light, flame &, in Stanzas I 81-2 &n 
living magnetic I 338 &n; II 311n 
living spiritual, & man II 79, 102 
lotus product of, & water I 57, 379n 
male generative principle I 57 
marriage of, & water I 341 
Melhas or, -gods II 34 
Mithra, Mithras, & II 130 
never discovered II 523-4 
one element or I 101 
origin of, (Plato) II 373 
origin of, first round I 259 
people born of water & I 439n; II 605 
pillar of, (Exodus) I 338n, 437 
primordial, not physical I 69-70 
progeny of electricity I 81-2 
Prometheus & II 520, 523-4 
     pure akasa I 253 
     pure spirit of, in Sun I 493 
     purifies manas II 639 
pyramid derived fr II 594 
related to sight, etc II 107 
Rosicrucians defined, correctly I 121 
Rudra god of II 280n 
sacred II 77, 80, 101n, 171, 363, 759 
St Mark, lion &, (table) II 114 
science does not explain I 121, 141-2, 521 
sevenfold, manifested I 87 
solar II 105 
     sons of, (agni-putra) II 363 
spirit of, fructifies I 379 
spiritual II 79, 105, 109 
     suchi or solar II 57n, 102, 105 
swallowed by air (pralaya) I 372-3 
symbolizes divine spirit II 113 
third race could live in II 220 
thunder, Jove, Agni or I 462 
triple, invisible I 87 
triple, of central spiritual sun I 87 
universe fr air, water & I 92 &n 
Vaisvanara is living magnetic II 311n 
various names of II 114 
vital II 267 
water &, or Mother & Father I 70 
water &, produced matter II 65 
worshipers II 361 
Yazatas II 400n


FIRE (OF MIND). 

See also Lucifer, Prometheus

-angels & divine rebels II 243, 246 
black, of Zohar (wisdom) II 162 
of the celestial gods II 210 
creative II 101, 270, 414 
first two races had no II 107, 113 
higher self or II 109 
holy, or Kabiri II 3 
     of passions II 99, 105 
producer II 244 
Promethean, became a curse II 412-13 
Promethean, not physical II 523-4 
     -self or light of initiation II 570 
seven circles of, (Pymander) II 103, 232, 275n, 448 
spiritual, of middle principle II 79


FIRE ATOMS. see LIFE-ATOMS

become life-germs I 259

Fire Devas, divine rebels II 246

Fire Dhyanis
essence of man II 90-2 
incarnate in third race II 91

Fire Mist. See also Pavaka
arhats of the I 207 
ball of, becomes planet II 153 
breath of fire I 83 
after chaotic stage I 453 
"Devourers" & I 259 
primitive chaos luminous I 599 
primordial, & elements I 201, 543 
sons of the I 86, 207, 271n; II 212, 319 
various names for I 140


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What application in study would you make of your observation ?

How does the ancient literature and the correspondences and symbology of the
Americas compare with the ancient Sanskrit records and Brahmin traditions ?

I see some similarities -- has any one worked on this ?

Best  wishes,


Dallas
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: christinaleestemaker
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 5:30 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: VIRACHOCHA and INTI Venus = uppersun.

and Venus is behind our sun, the great livinggiving deity from which our sun
get 1/3 of the venus radiance.

Christina.

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