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CHANGES AND CHANGES

Jul 28, 2006 12:30 PM
by carlosaveline


I believe Daniel is putting some minor ortographical changes done by Boris de Zirkoff in the same level as publishing shameful and unidentified slanders against HPB as if they had been  written by herself. This is his very much style. 

As to ULT changes, I do not know;  but judging by previous examples, such changes might be fiction created by Daniel.  Any way, I doubt whether any changes in originals published by Theosophy Co. or by Boris de Zirkoff have more than marginal impotance.  They are probably relative to Sanskrit and Pali transliteration and related questions. 

As we know, all of the works by HPB remain of great value, while most books by Annie Besant and Leadbeater have ceased to be available, and many of the Besant/Leadbeater works which are still available have been "adapted". 

As to Krishnamurti, he didn't even use basic concepts like Karma Law or Reincarnation.

Regards,  Carlos. 



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Data:Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:22:10 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World The Invisible or Silent Editing of H.P. Blavatsky's Books

> Dallas once wrote on Theos-Talk:
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> If you wish I can give you as an example the little book that
> the Adyar Theosophical Publishing House issued under H.P.Blavatsky's
> name as PRACTICAL OCCULTISM It is one of the articles she wrote.
> If you have a copy then compare it with the same article you have
> reprinted by the U.L.T. in OCCULTISM OR RAJA-YOGA. The U.L.T.
> is verbatim from H.P.Blavatsky's original article -- remember
> proof reading it myself years ago. The ADYAR version has been
> heavily edited. . . .
> 
> In U.L.T. I don't have to worry -- the originals are available on a
> reliable basis . . . . Personally I would rather deal with
> H.P.Blavatsky's 'mistakes' than with those created by others who have
> had the temerity to believe they knew better than she did, and had
> the audacity to introduce changes which she did not authorize. . . .
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> On another occasion, Dallas also wrote:
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> The only valid reason for using the ORIGINAL, without the
> interposition of a commentator, editor, "filter," is that the
> student need not try to double-guess the changes in meaning that
> such an intermediary might impose in terms of his/her own
> understanding. In fact those alterations might be precisely
> those that today no longer agree with the original terms H.P.B.
> used.
> 
> The DIRECT CONTACT with the original enables the students to make
> his own mistakes, if he does. Then they are his, only, and he
> cannot blame an intermediary....
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> Personally, I have a great pity for those who have made
> alterations and invisible editing in such an important work. I
> include all who may have done this in my mind. On the opposite
> hand: I feel gratitude for those who have offered "corrections
> needed in the ORIGINAL" and that they think will be helpful to
> students, but who have been careful to IDENTIFY and FOOTNOTE
> their changes so that the said student has a choice.
> 
> By what amounts to "concealing" those changes made in the
> ORIGINAL (yet using the Original Title) and thus tacitly
> attributing those new and interposed changes to the Author - who
> has had no chance to agree to them -- they may have blurred or
> obscured some meanings. Just how important those altered
> meanings and changes are, need not be a subject for restudy if
> one deals with the ORIGINALS to begin with....
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> In the above texts, Dallas defines what he calls "invisible editing"
> and what others have called "silent editing."
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> Dallas also explains why the student should go to ORIGINALS of HPB's
> works instead of to EDITED versions of her writings.
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> In light of the above definition of INVISIBLE or SILENT EDITING,
> the following 4 works are ALL products of such invisible or silent
> editing:
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> (1) The so-called Besant-Mead edition of HPB's SECRET DOCTRINE
> is a product of "silent editing" for when compared with the original
> 1888 edition, the later Besant-Mead edition has
> numerous "changes", "corrections" and "deletions."
> 
> (2) The de Zirkoff edition of HPB's SECRET DOCTRINE is also clearly
> a product of "invisible" editing and contains 
> numerous "changes", "corrections" and "deletions." Examples of the 
> silent editing in this work has been shown by Tony Maddock, Peter 
> Merriott, John Drais and Walter A. Carrithers, Jr. Some of these 
> changes were posted recently here at Theos-Talk.
> 
> (3) The Theosophy Company's edition of the HPB's VOICE OF THE
> SILENCE is also clearly a product of invisible or silent editing.
> Dr. H.N. Stokes first reported this in the pages of his O.E. LIBRARY
> CRITIC. Peter Merriott and Tony Maddock have written about this
> silent editing in previous years both on the Theos-Talk discussion
> forum and the Blavatsky Net discussion group. Specific examples
> showing that invisible or silent editing has occurred in this
> Theosophy Company edition can be found at:
> 
> http://www.theos-talk.com/archives/199810/tt00044.html
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/11902
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> (4) The work titled A MODERN PANARION (a collection of HPB's
> articles) is also a product of INVISIBLE or SILENT editing. Some
> examples of this can be found at:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/modernpanarion.htm
> 
> IN SUMMARY:
> 
> BOTH the Adyar Theosophical Society/Theosophical Publishing House 
> and the The United Lodge of Theosophists/Theosophy 
> Company have published editions of H.P.B.'s writings which are 
> clearly examples or products of invisible or silent editing.
> 
> That is, in the various publications listed above, an editor has
> made editorial changes, corrections, deletions, etc. in the "new"
> edition and readers of the new edition will NOT be able to discern
> those editorial changes unless he takes the time and effort to
> compare said edition with HPB's original edition.
> 
> And in addition, the Adyar Society /publishers should NOT be
> scapegoated as the ONLY Theosophical group/publisher to issue
> such "silently edited" editions of H.P. Blavatsky's writings.
> 
> Furthermore, if Carlos Aveline can point out that the Adyar
> Theosophical publishers have published this kind of "silent
> editing", then would it not be fair and straight forward of Carlos
> to admit that the Theosophy Company has ALSO published
> such "silently edited" works?
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> I write all of the above to FULLY INFORM interested readers,
> especially new students, inquirers, etc. concerning this particular
> issue.
> 
> Daniel
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