Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00563)

Dear Bruce
Thank you for your wise words below. You have highlighted one of the 
only areas of mind which most everyday people share, common-sense 
morality. History, politics, religion will probably never come to 
agreement and so long as the arguments and disagreements are based 
there, there can never be resolution.
Best wishes in the work
Nigel 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Bruce MacDonald" 
<robert.b.macdonald@...> wrote:
>
> Friends,
> 
> A few thoughts on the discussion of the last few weeks.
> 
> Whereas HPB did not talk on politics and went out of her way to 
avoid it, 
> she did speak on occassion on the morality of certain national or 
> international incidents.
> 
> Earlier, I thought it would be instructive to look at dugpas, who 
they were 
> and how they operated.  From a study of theosophy it becomes clear 
that 95% 
> of humanity does not bother thinking for themselves, they are 
followers.  
> They are also the younger brothers of the 5% who have awakened.  
Now, 
> whether they be Moslem, Jew, Hindu, Christian, etc., they simply 
follow the 
> principles and guidance of their religious and political leaders.  
The 
> dugpa, like the White Brother, does not want to incur Karma for 
his actions. 
>   He wants the rest of humanity to voluntarily hand over their 
rights (their 
> will) to him so that he can act on their behalf for his own 
selfish gains.  
> Democracy's lend themselves very well for this type of handing 
over of 
> power.  In the West one's education, health, access to the 
resources of the 
> land, access to new technologies, etc. have all been handed over 
to 
> governments in the interest of profit and power for the special 
few.
> 
> As theosophists and as moral human beings we have to keep our eye 
on what is 
>   moral; the political and the religious are distractions.  In the 
video 
> Cass linked, the one aspect of truth that came through is that 
this 
> interpretation of Islam put forward by some mullahs where the 
faithful are 
> instructed to convert the rest of humanity by the sword if 
necessary, is 
> immoral.  The Christian materialization of the Christos is immoral 
as they 
> can now blame the Jews for the death of Christ and it justifies 
them doing 
> all sorts of evil in trying to convert humanity to Christianity in 
order to 
> save their souls.  The Jewish materialization of the symbols of 
Jeruselam 
> and Israel have given rise to Zionism and the evil injustices 
perpetrated 
> upon the peoples of the Middle East for over 50 years.  The 95% 
have to be 
> awakened to the evils of religions, this cannot go on.
> 
> The destruction of Lebanon was a moral crime that resulted in the 
mass 
> murder of far too many Lebanese.  Soldiers fighting with soldiers 
is war.  
> Soldiers targeting and killing unarmed civilians is murder.  It is 
immoral.  
> Whether Israeli or Lebanese, the civilian population should not 
have been 
> involved in this.
> 
> Anyone who is distracted by any of the propoganda coming out of 
this 
> conflict needs to give their head a shake.  Wars today are not 
fought on 
> principle, they are fought with the objective of setting up the 
next war.  
> If anyone thinks that the sick minds behind this war did not 
obtain their 
> objectives, they are sadly mistaken.  The few who were in the know 
on both 
> sides got exactly what they wanted.   The only people who lost 
were the 
> civilians.
> 
> The civilians should be the people who are championed by 
theosophists, not 
> the temporary churches of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.  
These will be 
> gone before too long.  Similarly, the states of Israel, Lebanon, 
and the 
> rest, they will not last forever.  They too will pass.  Surely, 
this is a 
> truth that theosophists understand?
> 
> Logos is concerned about unmasking these Illuminati.  Why? What 
does it 
> matter who they are?   There will always be dugpas.  Our goal is 
not to 
> destroy them, our goal is to work to help lift humanity so that it 
no longer 
> falls prey to these types of minds.  The problem with researching 
shadows is 
> that there is much more disinformation than there is accurate 
information.  
> Even if there is a Sabatean or Frankist faction among the Jews 
working with 
> the Vatican and others, intent on destroying all Jews, who would 
believe it? 
>   The best and surest way of waking people is to point to the 
immoral acts 
> done in the name of the state or in the name of religion.  Most 
people have 
> a sense of morality that transcends their beliefs.  It is to that 
which we 
> have to appeal.  Many Jews and Lebanese are questioning the latest 
war, 
> stear the discussion towards the moral rather than which side is 
right or 
> wrong.  There is so much disinformation out there, the worst of it 
> propogated on the nightly news, that everyone is going to have a 
different 
> understanding of history.  Frank and Carlos have very different 
> understandings of history.  Both are responding according to their 
> understanding and integrity with the hope of making things 
better.  Neither 
> is going to be re-eductated historically; but if they wanted, I 
think they 
> could come to an agreement at a moral level.  If Christian, Jew, 
Hindu, and 
> Moslem understood they are all one in spirit, if they learned to 
trust one 
> another, conflict would be reduced significantly.   People have to 
learn to 
> act morally rather than continue to rely on the political or 
religious 
> excuse for bad behavior.
> 
> Bruce
> 
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