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Re: HPB and Sat B'hai

Nov 04, 2006 07:51 AM
by Carl Ek


Carlos,
My answers are in capital letters. 

Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was ever active in 
such a a
movement? NOTHING, AND THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT ANY "HONORARY MEMBERS" 
EITHER.

Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What about 
originals of her
statement that she belonged to it? ASK TILLETT, AND THE RESEARCHERS 
IN QC IN LONDON.

Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists) write about such 
an active
membership? NO< ANF I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT EITHER.

What did Olcott tie about this? SORRY, BUT I DON"T UNDERSTAND THIS 
QUESTION. SAY IT IN OUTHER WORDS, PLEASE.


And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris include anything 
about that
in HPB's Collected Writings? WAY DO ASK THAT TO ME? SORRY, THEY ARE 
BOTH DEAD, IF THEY WASEN'T, YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED THEM THAT, AND NOT 
ME. I THINK THERE IS A FOTNOT IN BCW, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK TO BE SURE.


I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You know there is 
a lot of
people talking to HPB and the Masters around the corner or useing 
their names
for their own purposes.) YES, I KNOW THAT VERY MUCH. BUT THE FACT 
THAT THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT HBP AND THE MASTER, THAT YOU DON'T 
HAPPENED TO LIKE, DOESEN'T MAKE THEM UNTRUE OR FALSE.


Carl

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Carl,
> 
> 
> Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was ever active in 
such a a movement? 
> 
> Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What about 
originals of her statement that she belonged to it?
> 
> Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists) write about 
such an active membership?
> 
> What did Olcott tie about this?
> 
> 
> And then,  Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston?  Did Boris include 
anything about that in HPB's Collected Writings?  
> 
> 
> I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You know there 
is a lot of people talking to HPB and the Masters around the corner 
or useing their names for their own purposes.)  
> 
> In bona fide,   Carlos. 
> 
> 
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Cópia:
> 
> Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:26:42 -0000
> 
> Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> 
> > Carlos,
> > See the "Sat Bhai Code" below. Do you see anything about 
> > any "honorary member" there?
> > 
> > Carl
> > ______________________________________________
> > CODE 
> > OF
> > THE ROYAL ORIENTAL ORDER
> > OF
> > SIKHA (APEX) AND THE SAT BHAI 
> > 
> > 
> > RAHU 
> > REPRESENTATIVE OF ARTIRAM
> > AND OF 
> > THE SAT BHAI OF PRAG 
> > 
> > 
> > THE CODE OF SIKHA (APEX), &c. 
> > 
> > 
> > (1) This Oriental Order embraces the Perfect Terrestrial Zone of 
360 
> > degrees, and the Mystic Zone inclusive of all others, and 
occupies 
> > the highest point of the Masonic fabric. Therefore, while under 
its 
> > benign influence, justice is done to all, and innovations 
> > inconsistent with the grand principles of harmony, and a just 
> > equality, regulated to the varied circumstances of the social 
scale, 
> > are righteously condemned. 
> > (2) This Paramount Order is divided into two, namely, that of 
Sikha 
> > (Apex), the Supreme and Ultimate Mundane, and of the Sat Bhai of 
> > Pryaya. 
> > (3) It is a fundamental principle, that there has been a regular 
> > succession from the East of the whole Order; but more especially 
of 
> > the Sat Bhai, and without this succession, the chief title of 
the 
> > Order to universal respect could not exist. This being so, the 
> > Sponsor by whom the succession has been kept up, and such 
Sponsors 
> > as have been adopted into it, must in their dual capacity, as 
well 
> > as individually, be incapable of deposition or supersession, for 
> > without them, and the possession by the original Sponsor of the 
Red 
> > Ribbon of the Order, there could not possibly be any succession, 
and 
> > consequently there could be no Order. 
> > (4) But, inasmuch as worldly considerations, in their narrow 
sense, 
> > are alien to the spiritual instructions of the Sponsors, they 
have 
> > been permitted to delegate their administrative and executive 
> > powers, in large measure, to the Arch Censors, who are 
accordingly 
> > charged with such duties, while the legislative function, and 
the 
> > veto, personal as well as dual, remains with the former, as an 
> > unalienable inheritance, within the Perfect Circle, as 
transmitted 
> > by the Sat Bhai of Pryaya. 
> > (5) At any moment of supreme peril to the occidental home of the 
> > Order of Sikha (Apex), and of the Sat Bhai, it shall be the 
> > imperative duty of the First Sponsor, who holds the Red Ribbon 
of 
> > the Order, to summon the Arch Arbiter, the Second Sponsor, and 
one 
> > Arch Censor, and in their presence to break the seal of the 
letter 
> > from Prag, that contains the special mandate of the Lord of the 
> > Perfect Circle, and of the Sat Bhai, such mandate being 
absolutely 
> > irresistible, and of effect over the whole of this Code. And 
with 
> > the exception of this one reservation, this Code shall be 
> > irrevocable and incapable of abrogation, and the Sponsors, and 
Arch 
> > Censors are charged with its application to the organisation of 
the 
> > mystic subjects of the Lord of the Perfect Terrestrial Zone. 
> > (6) Within the Perfect Circle, the mystic numbers Nine and Seven 
are 
> > pre-eminent, and while the Lord of the Perfect Circle and the 
> > Sponsors complete the higher number, the lower, under the 
immediate 
> > influence of the Sat Bhai, is subdivided into seven classes, 
namely:-
> > (1). Arch Censors. (2). Arch Couriers. (3). Arch Ministers. (4). 
> > Arch Heralds. (5). Arch Scribes. (6). Arch Auditors. (7). Arch 
> > Mutes. 
> > (7) The Arch Censors, being of the highest dignity of the Sat 
Bhai, 
> > rule the six subordinate classes, and each, in his own 
jurisdiction, 
> > is paramount. In this grade all are equal, and there is no 
priority. 
> > (8) Each Member of each Censorial Section of the six subordinate 
> > classes, shall be known personaily only to his own Censor, and 
to 
> > the Sponsors under the Lord of the Perfect Zone and in the chain 
of 
> > secrecy as well as of responsibility (nccessary for the 
exclusion of 
> > the uninitiated), every second link is locked downwards by 
symbols, 
> > signs and countersignshence, the Arch Censor is only known to 
his 
> > own Arch Couriers, each of the latter to his own Arch Ministers, 
and 
> > so on. 
> > (9) No one can be admitted to the four higher classes of the Sat 
> > Bhai who has not been previously initiated in the Mystery of 
> > Freemasonry; and it is a fundamental decree, that the classes 
Arch 
> > Censor, and Arch Courier are closed against all but Master 
Masons, 
> > and those of higher degree. But the three lower classes are open 
to 
> > both sexes, at the discretion of each Arch Censor, within his 
own 
> > jurisdiction. 
> > (10) In order to preserve the due relation between the various 
> > grades, and to distinguish those of greater exaltation, a system 
of 
> > numbers pervades the whole, so that each individual may be 
clearly 
> > distinguished. But mystic names, conferred by the Sponsors, 
pertain 
> > exclusively to the four higher classes of the Sat Bhai; the 
lower 
> > receiving only ordinary names. These numbers run thus, 
throughout 
> > the combined Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat Bhai:- 
> > 
> > 
> > Sikha (Apex)-the Supreme Mundane 1 
> > ................... 2/1 [In a circle. 
> > Sponsors ................... 2/2 " 
> > ................... 2/3 " 
> > A. Censor ................... 3/1 3/2 3/3 &c. 
> > [In a triangle. 
> > A. Courier .................... 4/1 &c. [In an 
> > ellipse. 
> > A. Minister ................... 5/1 &c. [In a 
> > parallelogram. 
> > A. Herald ................... 6/1 &c. [In a 
> > lozenge. 
> > A. Scribe ................... 7/1 &c. [Plain. 
> > 
> > A. Auditor ................... 8/1 &c. [Plain. 
> > 
> > A. Mute .................... 9/1 &c. [Plain. 
> > 
> > 
> > Furthermore, to distinguish these grades within their special 
> > Circles, the svmbol of each Arch Censor is prefixed to the 
number of 
> > the inferior grade in the manner shown in plate 1, figure 1. 
> > 
> > 4/1 
> > The Arch Courier 1, of Indra. 
> > 
> > 
> > But as the A. C. has three symbols, the first is placed before 
the 
> > Couriers, the second before the Ministers, and the third before 
the 
> > Heralds. (11) Each member of each grade nominates seven 
assistants, 
> > and these seven, in like manner, seven probationers; but these 
> > receive only the simple number of their superior, a red line, 
drawn 
> > horizontally through which, indicates an assistant, and a red 
one, 
> > vertically, a probationer. These auxiliaries qualify to become 
Arch 
> > Mutes, but are not considered as within the Perfect Circle, nor 
are 
> > they admitted to its mysteries; they, however, are taught that 
the 
> > mystery came from Pryaya, and are employed to advance the cause 
of 
> > universal harmony, and their authority is a brief prescript 
signed 
> > by the immediate superior, by which their subordination, on the 
> > pledged word, is secured. 
> > (12) The Obligation, on the simple word of honour of the 
candidate, 
> > in every class throughout the combined Order, is accepted as 
> > sufficient. None but men of reputed honour, true to their word, 
are 
> > admitted, and to such men, experience shows, that the pledged 
word 
> > is as inviolable as the solemn oath, the latter as profane, 
being 
> > excluded from the presence of the Lord of the Perfect Circle. 
> > (13) Every member of the Order is bound to be in possession of a 
> > mandate or commission, signed in cipher by the Sponsors, and 
> > endorsed in like manner, by their respective Arch Censors, 
according 
> > to the system of locked links. 
> > (14) The Arch Censors are not necessarily known by their 
personal 
> > names to each other, but they may hold congress, under the 
sanction 
> > of the sponsors, for the discussion of important matters 
connected 
> > with their own jurisdiction, and within its limits; but one 
> > dissencient voice, whether the whole be present or not, shall 
> > invalidate any regulation framed by such congress, and the veto 
of 
> > the Sponsors, individual as well as dual, will have the same 
effect, 
> > the object being to protect the perhaps farther seeing, 
minority, a 
> > policy taught by the history of mankind. 
> > (15) The Sponsors are to be furnished with quarterly reports, 
> > commencing on the first day of each year, by each Censor, who in 
> > like manner will- be furnished with the necessary report, by his 
> > subordinates, and, a return of moneys due and paid, shall be 
> > comprised in these reports, in addition to administrative 
details. 
> > (16) These reports will be framed according to the nature of the 
> > duties of each class thus: The Arch Censors have the 
superintendence 
> > of the Masonic world, from 360 ° to 19 °; the Arch Couriers from 
18 
> > ° to 11 %#176;;- The Arch Ministers from 10 ° to 4 °; the Arch 
> > Heralds from 3 ° to 1 °. The Arch Scribes are charged with 
fiscal 
> > details, the payment of fees for charters, and commissions to 
the 
> > Arch Illuminator for materials and work supplied, and the fees 
on 
> > admission, and exaltation, as settled, and regulated by the Arch 
> > Censors, the latter being charged with a general supervision. 
The 
> > Arch Auditors and Arch Mutes are charged with the collection of 
> > important information from all sources, public and private. 
> > The Sponsors receive no fees, but whatever is voted to them by 
the 
> > Arch Censors, they may accept. 
> > (17) The Arch Arbiter is the highest judicial functionary, and 
is 
> > known only by his name within the Perfect Circle, but has no 
active 
> > part or responsibility in the Order, and is superseded 
periodically. 
> > (18) In each case when a superior is addressed, he must be 
protected 
> > by his inferior against the expenses of a correspondence which 
must 
> > necessarily be of vast extent, and which would be oppressive to 
the 
> > superior. 
> > (19) The offices of Arch Emissary, Arch Secretary, Arch 
Historian, 
> > Arch Treasurer, Arch Auditor and Arch Illuminator are tentative, 
the 
> > first, fourth, and fifth being extra to the Order. Of their 
> > patronage, the first is in the gift of the Sponsors, the second 
and 
> > sixth of the first Sponsor, or he who holds the Red Ribbon and 
Bell 
> > of the Order, the third, fourth, and fifth, of the Arch Censors. 
> > (20) Among the archives of the Order are many fragments of 
Oriental 
> > antiquity, and these comprise various documents in the ancient 
> > languages of the East. When required to secure in a printed 
form, 
> > the Book of Sikha (Apex), and Legend of the Red Ribbon, the 
first 
> > Sponsor will receive proposals from the Arch Censors with that 
end 
> > in view, one grand object of the Order being to incite to a 
study of 
> > the great truths contained in early Sanskrit literature. 
> > (21) No member of the Order can be superseded or expelled, nor 
shall 
> > he have the power to resign his office (and never his 
membership) 
> > without the final sanction of the Sponsors, under the advice of 
the 
> > Arch Arbiter, or Hindu referee. 
> > (22) The R.O.O. of Sikha and the Sat Bhai is the only system of 
> > Round or Natural Freemasonry. 
> > (23) The signs and passwords of this Order are issued only by 
the 
> > First Sponsor triennially, when they are changed at the Vernal 
> > Equinox. No S.B. can share in the rites and councils of the 
Order 
> > who is not in possession of the signs and passwords of the 
smaller 
> > cycles. But the Illuminated who are in the innermost circle are 
> > exempt from ordinary rules. An Arch Censor may be Illuminated 
> > without preliminary perfection or maturity, and only the 
Illuminated 
> > are eligible to succeed to the death vacancy of a Sponsor. 
> > (24) The great Lotus Seal of the Order is common to the 
> > Jurisdictions of the Order, but its custodian must be elected in 
the 
> > jurisdiction, and subject to the confirmation of the First 
Sponsor. 
> > (25) The Code of Sikha (Apex) is the sole law of the R.O.O., and 
is 
> > immutable. But signs and passwords are tentative for fixed 
periods, 
> > and bye-laws may be permitted tentatively by Rahu, as 
representative 
> > of Artiram. Nothing is valid without the personal and usual lay 
> > signature of the Arch Secretary to verity it. 
> > (26) The Third Sponsor, as a rule, dormant, may, by the 
proclamation 
> > of the First Sponsor, be called into activity and duality with 
him, 
> > whereupon the Second Sponsor becomes for a season or seasons 
> > dormant. No Sponsor can be also an Arch Censor, but he may 
> > temporarily discharge the latter's functions. 
> > (27) The Vernal Equinoxes for changing signs and Passwords are 
in 
> > 1877, 1875, 1878, 1881, 1884, 1887, 1890, &c. 
> > (28) There are three Seals, viz. -The Great Lotus Seal; the Key 
Seal 
> > of the Arch Secretary; and the First Sponsors Privy Seal; There 
are 
> > also the Arch Censors' segmental Seals. 
> > (29) No Ritual can be used which is not stamped with the Great 
Seal 
> > of the Order produced in Ashayana. So also Perfected Sadhanams, 
> > Marks, and Illuminated Sadhanams are invalid without the said 
seal 
> > and the confirmation of the First Sponsor presiding in Ashayana. 
The 
> > Order holds Ghonslas Ashayanas, and Nidams, to which there is no 
> > admission without Mandate or Sadhanam. The latter is ineffectual 
> > unless endorsed by the Arch Secretary in his usual lay 
signature. 
> > (30) No Sat Bhai can resign, but absolute ignoring of O.B., or 
any 
> > notoriously gross act of dishonour involves de facto, loss of 
rank 
> > to be signified by the First Sponsor and Arch Secretary. 
> > (31) There may be more than one jurisdiction. That of the First 
> > Sponsor is the paramount. Each may have its own A. Censors, &c.; 
> > Segments may be exchanged. 
> > (32) There are seven Provinces or an Heptarchy in England, 
Scotland, 
> > and Ireland. Mahanathas rule these by charter under the Great 
Seal 
> > of the Order. The Sponsors form the Court of Appeal of these, 
but no 
> > Sponsor can receive any donative or fee of intrinsic value. In 
their 
> > case gifts must be honorary, such as testimonials on parchment. 
> > (33) 'The Feathers of the Sat Bhai', Archaeological Tracts of 
the 
> > R.O.O. may be under the editorship of any S.B. duly appointed. 
> > 
> > SYMBOLS, ETC. 
> > The symbols, Paroles and countersigns, ancient and modern, of 
the 
> > Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and of the Sat Bhai of 
Pryaya. 
> > (1) The Symbols of Sikha (Apex) are:- (1) The Mundane Egg. (2). 
The 
> > Crossed Square within a Perfect circle. (3). The Fruit of the 
Sacred 
> > Lotus. (4). The Harmonic Octave, expressed by its graphic 
expression 
> > of a double shell. (5) The Anga. (6) A swan. (7) A Bull. [plate 
1, 
> > figures 1,2,3,4,5,6,7]. The Symbol of the Sat Bhai is Seven Grey 
> > Feathers, 2,3, and 2 
> > (2) The symbols of the Dual Sponsors are - (1).The Crescent 
Moon. 
> > (2). The Signs of the Ascending and of the descending Node. Of 
the 
> > first Sponsor-- (1). The Rose. (2) The Kamalata. (3) An Arrow. 
Of 
> > the Second Sponsor--(1). An Unicorn's Horn. (2) The Amaranth. Of 
the 
> > Dormant Sponsor--The Sun in eclipse. 
> > The parole or pass-word to the Sponsors is ......... ; the sign, 
> > touching the......... of the ......... 
> > (3) The Arch Censors are in the third yug symbolised by a Boar 
> > avatar (plate 1, figure 18]. Their distinctive symbols are three 
> > each:- 
> > 
> > 
> > 1. Indra I A Thunderbolt 2 A Lamp 3. 
> > 
> > 2. Ganesha 1 An EIephant 2 A Conch 3.
> > 
> > 3. Agni 1 A Flame 2 A Lotus 3.
> > 
> > 4. Surya 1 A Wheel 2 Sunflower 3.
> > 
> > 5. Kartikeya 1 A Peacock 2 A Sword 3.
> > 
> > 6. Kama 1 A Parrot 2 A Bent Bow 3.
> > 
> > 7. Daksha 1 A Dexter Hand 2 An Ear of Wheat
> > 3.
> > 
> > The pass-word to the Arch Censors is......... ; the sign, 
touching 
> > the......... of the right ......... 
> > (4) The Arch Couriers are in the fourth yug, of which the symbol 
is 
> > a lion-headed man. They have one distinctive symbol each placed 
> > under their respective A. Censor's first symbol. The password to 
> > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching the......... with 
> > the......... forefinger. 
> > (5) The Arch Ministers are in the fifth yug, symbolised by two 
> > interlaced triangles. They have one distinctive symbol each, 
placed 
> > under their respective A. Censor's second symbol. The password 
to 
> > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching the......... of 
> > the......... 
> > (6) The Arch Heralds are in the sixth yug, for which the symbol 
is 
> > an antique crown. They have one distinctive symbol each, placed 
> > under their respective A. Censor's third symbol. The password to 
> > this grade is......... the sign, the palms......... 
> > (7) The Arch Scribes are in the seventh yug. There are no 
symbols in 
> > this grade, but the A. Ss. have distinctive numbers in the 
Nagara 
> > character. Pass-word.......... No sign. 
> > (8) The Arch Auditors are in the eighth yug. They have each a 
> > Devanagri letter before their names, under the Minister's 
symbol. No 
> > password. No sign. 
> > (9) The Arch Mutes are in the ninth yug: They have each a letter 
in 
> > the Devanagri character before their names and under the 
Herald's 
> > symbol. No pass-word. No sign. 
> > Nomenclature of the Arch Grades, under the Lord of the Perfect 
Zone, 
> > 360 °:- 
> > 
> > 
> > 1 Sponsor.............. Rahu 
> > 2 Sponsor.............. Ketu 
> > 3 Kamadyam......... [Dormant] 
> > 1 Arch Censor Indra 1 Arch Minister
> > Dhanus 
> > 2 " " Ganesha 2 " "
> > Mesha 
> > 
> > 
> > 3 " " Agni 3 " "
> > Vrisha 
> > 
> > 
> > 4 " " Surya 4 " " Simha
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 5 " " Kartikeya 5 " "
> > Makara 
> > 
> > 
> > 6 " " Kama 6 " " Kumba
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 7 " " Daksha 7 " "
> > Karkata 
> > 
> > 
> > 1 Arch Courier Kuvera 1 Arch Herald
> > Sanjaya 
> > 
> > 
> > 2 " " Vira Badra 2 " "
> > Heri 
> > 
> > 
> > 3 " " Bhairava 3 " "
> > Rama 
> > 
> > 
> > 4 " " Varuna 4 " "
> > Nareda 
> > 
> > 
> > 5 " " Yama 5 " "
> > Agastya 
> > 
> > 
> > 6 " " Garuda 6 " " Hotri
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 7 " " Aruna 7 " "
> > Petri 
> > 
> > 
> > 1 Arch Scribe Pravaha 1 Arch Auditor Rad
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2 " " Avaha 2 " " Tara
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 3 " " Udraha 3 " "
> > Nadiyan 
> > 
> > 
> > 4 " " Samkaha 4 " "
> > Ankhen 
> > 
> > 
> > 5 " " Vivaha 5 " " Kan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 6 " " Parivaha 6 " "
> > Udaka 
> > 
> > 
> > 7 " " Nivaha 7 " " Vayu 
> > 
> > 1 Arch Mute Kalga fem. Narangi 
> > 2 " " Pipat " Angur 
> > 3 " " Bat " Zaitun 
> > 4 " " Champa " Seb 
> > 5 " " Tulasi " Angir 
> > 6 " " Singarhar " Badan 
> > 7 " " Soma " Anar 
> > 
> > 
> > (10) Oriental garments being disused, except the Grey Choga and 
Cap, 
> > the only mark of membership is a red silk cord of three strands, 
> > round the neck. 
> > The general pass-word is......... The colours of the Order are 
Red, 
> > Blue, White; those of Sponsors, Red, Blue, Yellow; and of 
Segments, 
> > the Prismatic. 
> > MONETARY REGULATIONS 
> > Under the supervision of the Arch Censors, Arch Treasurer, and 
Arch 
> > Scribes, and extra to the Order. 
> > (1) A reserve fund for charity, and the use of the intelligence 
> > department, is to be formed. 
> > (2) The Sponsors having renounced all Claim on the funds of the 
> > Order, they may accept donations as offerings to Sikha (Apex) 
> > without injury to the spiritual element, if voluntarily, and 
> > unconditionally made by the Arch Censors. 
> > (3) The Arch Censors and their subordinates are entitled to 
> > remuneration for actual work done. The Arch Censors' regulations 
> > must be accepted, if promulgated by the Seven in Congress, and 
> > unanimous. 
> > 4) The Arch Secretary is entitled to recompense for time and 
outlay. 
> > (5) The Arch Illuminator is entitled to recompense for time and 
> > outlay, in preparing charters or commissions, &c. His charges 
have 
> > been allowed. For a parchment charter, if required illuminated, 
one 
> > guinea; for a prescript or mandate, two shillings and sixpence; 
and 
> > for symbols of Sponsors and Censors, each one shilling. 
> > (6) The Arch Treasurer is entitled to a percentage on the funds, 
the 
> > same to be fixed by the Arch Censors in Congress. 
> > (7) The other Arch Officers receive remuneration according to 
duties 
> > performed, or expenses incurred. 
> > (8) The first Occidental Arch Censors, under the dispensation of 
the 
> > Lord of the Perfect Zone, have entered the Circle free; but 
their 
> > successors, and those of the grades under their jurisdiction, 
are 
> > required to pay the following fees to the Arch Treasurer for the 
> > Arch Censors:- 
> > £ s. d. £ s. d.
> > 
> > A. Mute " " A. Auditor " "
> > 
> > A. Scribe " " A. Herald "
> > " 
> > A. Minister " " A. Courier "
> > " 
> > A. Censor £ " " 
> > These fees may be regulated from time to time. 
> > To obviate the inconvenience of disclosing the titles of the 
Order 
> > to the outer world, the postal address will be 'Secretary (or 
other) 
> > of the Royal Oriental S. B. Order.' 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Carl, Tillett, Friends, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > OK. 
> > > 
> > > So HPB was an "honorary member" of the Sat Bhai, and this, as 
> > early as 1877.
> > > 
> > > Honorary member is no active member; it means that a homage 
was 
> > made to her. 
> > > 
> > > Not the only one -- as she had a diploma from "Adoption 
Masonry", 
> > too. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Honorary titles.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Cópia:
> > > 
> > > Data:Sat, 4 Nov 2006 07:12:20 +1100 (EST)
> > > 
> > > Assunto:Theos-World HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > 
> > > > In April, 1878, HPB and Colonel Olcott discussed this 
> > possibility, and
> > > > concluded that it would serve to restore "the vital element 
of 
> > Oriental
> > > > Mysticism" to the higher degrees. But there were objections 
from 
> > Indian
> > > > members of the TS, and the scheme was abandoned. However, 
both 
> > HPB and
> > > > Olcott were made Honorary Members of the Sat B'hai, on 
August 9, 
> > 1877. 
> > > > HPB was made a member of the sixth degree, level one, Arch 
> > Auditor; the
> > > > name of this degree and level was Rad, and, like the fifth 
and 
> > seventh
> > > > degrees, was open both non-Masons and to women. HSO was made 
a 
> > member of
> > > > the second degree, sixth level. Arch Courier; the name of 
this 
> > degree was
> > > > Garuda, and it was open only to Master Masons (as was the 
first 
> > degree). 
> > > > In Sat B'hai the first degree was the highest, and the 
seventh 
> > the lowest.
> > > > 
> > > > The Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat B'hai 
seems 
> > to have
> > > > been founded by an Anglo-Indian, Captain James Henry 
Lawrence 
> > Archer of
> > > > the Indian Army, but the organization of the Order was 
largely 
> > of the work
> > > > of Kenneth Robert Henderson Mackenzie (1833-86), author of 
> > the "Royal
> > > > Masonic Cyclopaedia" (1877), and a member of the TS. The 
first 
> > public
> > > > statements about the Order appeared in correspondence 
in "The 
> > Freemason"
> > > > in early 1871, however although great claims were made for 
its 
> > antiquity
> > > > and importance, and despite Mackenzie's efforts to establish 
it 
> > as a
> > > > working organization, it does not seem to have moved much 
beyond 
> > being a
> > > > plan. By January, 1879, Mackenzie had concluded that the 
Order 
> > had
> > > > finished.
> > > > 
> > > > The Sat B'hai was never adopted for use within the TS.
> > > > 
> > > > Information on the membership of HPB and HSO in Sat B'hai 
comes 
> > from the
> > > > archives of the Order which were (and, I believe, still are) 
in 
> > the Yarker
> > > > archives in London, where I had access to them.
> > > > 
> > > > Dr Gregory Tillett
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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