Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00242)

Carlos,

How could you talk about HPB and Freemasonry, and her view on it 
without having read this text!? I have never said anything about 
any "revolutionary statement". You are the one that make 
revolutionary thing buy chancing the Constitution of Sat Bhai 
(without being a member, and not even a mason), by saying that there 
were honorary members. This is not true.

And to be an honorary member, don't have to mean that that person 
necessarily have to be inactive (example; the honorary members of 
The Royal Society, or the honorary members of the early TS).

Read the text and tell us tomorrow, if you still believe that HBP 
was negative, or what you now think, to Freemasonry. And there are 
some interesting tings about HBP's personal connections with 
Freemasonry, and I have already given you two quotes here in a 
previous posting. 

Carl

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<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> Carl, 
> 
> 
> Tell us what is said there. Is it worthwile looking for it? I'm 
not at home.
> 
> If you have such a revolutionary statement, you could kindly help 
us bibliographically. 
> 
> Carlos. 
> 
> 
>  
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> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:28:13 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> 
> > Again read: HPB on Freemasonry see "HPB Speaks, vol. I, chapter 
VII, 
> > pp. 27-36".
> > 
> > Carl
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Carl, Tillett, Friends, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > OK. 
> > > 
> > > So HPB was an "honorary member" of the Sat Bhai, and this, as 
> > early as 1877.
> > > 
> > > Honorary member is no active member; it means that a homage 
was 
> > made to her. 
> > > 
> > > Not the only one -- as she had a diploma from "Adoption 
Masonry", 
> > too. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Honorary titles.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > Data:Sat, 4 Nov 2006 07:12:20 +1100 (EST)
> > > 
> > > Assunto:Theos-World HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > 
> > > > In April, 1878, HPB and Colonel Olcott discussed this 
> > possibility, and
> > > > concluded that it would serve to restore "the vital element 
of 
> > Oriental
> > > > Mysticism" to the higher degrees. But there were objections 
from 
> > Indian
> > > > members of the TS, and the scheme was abandoned. However, 
both 
> > HPB and
> > > > Olcott were made Honorary Members of the Sat B'hai, on 
August 9, 
> > 1877. 
> > > > HPB was made a member of the sixth degree, level one, Arch 
> > Auditor; the
> > > > name of this degree and level was Rad, and, like the fifth 
and 
> > seventh
> > > > degrees, was open both non-Masons and to women. HSO was made 
a 
> > member of
> > > > the second degree, sixth level. Arch Courier; the name of 
this 
> > degree was
> > > > Garuda, and it was open only to Master Masons (as was the 
first 
> > degree). 
> > > > In Sat B'hai the first degree was the highest, and the 
seventh 
> > the lowest.
> > > > 
> > > > The Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat B'hai 
seems 
> > to have
> > > > been founded by an Anglo-Indian, Captain James Henry 
Lawrence 
> > Archer of
> > > > the Indian Army, but the organization of the Order was 
largely 
> > of the work
> > > > of Kenneth Robert Henderson Mackenzie (1833-86), author of 
> > the "Royal
> > > > Masonic Cyclopaedia" (1877), and a member of the TS. The 
first 
> > public
> > > > statements about the Order appeared in correspondence 
in "The 
> > Freemason"
> > > > in early 1871, however although great claims were made for 
its 
> > antiquity
> > > > and importance, and despite Mackenzie's efforts to establish 
it 
> > as a
> > > > working organization, it does not seem to have moved much 
beyond 
> > being a
> > > > plan. By January, 1879, Mackenzie had concluded that the 
Order 
> > had
> > > > finished.
> > > > 
> > > > The Sat B'hai was never adopted for use within the TS.
> > > > 
> > > > Information on the membership of HPB and HSO in Sat B'hai 
comes 
> > from the
> > > > archives of the Order which were (and, I believe, still are) 
in 
> > the Yarker
> > > > archives in London, where I had access to them.
> > > > 
> > > > Dr Gregory Tillett
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > 
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