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HPB and Her Mason Friends

Nov 06, 2006 05:42 AM
by carlosaveline


Carl,


We both knew and still know what is "Adoption".

HPB did not go to "Masonic meetings".  


So it was a homage, an honorary title, if I may use my own words.

You can use your words for the same fact. 


Yet she was not an active Mason, only a "honorary" one. She had friends there. 


Carlos. 




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Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 02:27:25 -0000

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: CARL NOW DOES CLARIFY!

> Carlos,
> You wrote: "So there is NOTHING about HPB being an active member of 
> any ritualistic
> Organizations in the 19 century."
> Don't twist it around now, for the discussion was if she ever was an 
> active mason or not, and on that my answer is that I have never seen 
> that. And if she participates in any Masonic lodge meeting, I don't 
> know. But if she come, they surely hade let her in.
> But she was a member of more then two Masonic orders, and one of 
> this the A.P.R.M. was honorary. The others (inkl. Sat Bhai), read 
> for you self:
> 
> "My Masonic experience ? if you will so term membership in several 
> Eastern Masonic fraternities and esoteric brotherhoods ? is confined 
> to the Orient." (HPB Speaks, vol. I p. 31)
> 
> You wrote: "As to her 'honorary membership' -- take a look at the 
> facsimile copy of HPB's masonic "Adoption" diploma in "HPB Speaks". 
> That is honorary, no doubt."
> The Masonic term "Adoption" DOES NOT mean honorary, it means that it 
> is female Masonry. The origin of the term is from France, in the 
> 1770', when Masonic lodge was founded for women, or mixed. Hence 
> women can't (from their point of view, and then of course) rule a 
> lodge them self, these female lodges was "Adopted" by a male lodge, 
> and the Lodge Mistress reported to the Worshipful Master of the male 
> lodge, that had adopted the female lodge.
> 
> And plus the Theosophical Society and The Esoteric School of 
> Theosophy, of course. The rituals of TS (written by Olcott 1876) and 
> EST (based on the old TS-rituals, and rewritten by HPB 1888) were 
> inspired of Masonic rituals. In Sweden (in the three society, Point 
> Loma, Adyar and the Independent Swedish TS), this rituals was used 
> in till after the 1900. I have seen a photograph from a Pasadena EST-
> meeting in Helsingborg from the early 1950's. They were al dressed 
> up in dress cotes, wearing the EST-jewels (stars, as designed by KT, 
> or on her order) and the lodge room was lighted with candelabras 
> (there is no doute what it was; hence one clearly can see HPB's, M's 
> and KH's portraits in the background and one of the participants I 
> know in person very well). In 2003, we arrange the 
> last "celebration" of the White Lotus Day in Gothenburg, after a 
> ritual written 1889 by Dr Gustaf Zander, President-Founder of the TS 
> in Sweden, Judge's Agent for EST in Scandinavia, disciple of Jasper 
> Niemand and corresponding with Judge in till 1896. This was arranged 
> together by Pasadena TS and the Swedish TS. 68 people were present, 
> and I was in chair. 
> 
> Don't say that there has not been or are no rituals in the TM. They 
> are there, and have been there from the very beginning (1876). If 
> branches want to work with them, they are free to do so, if they not 
> want to, when don't have to. It is the same in Adyar, today, to. I 
> know Adyar lodges that still have a ritual (not the same as the 
> original, as far as I know) to initiate new members. I was present 
> in one in 1994 (The Wesak Lodge in Sweden). 
> 
> Carl 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > So there is NOTHING about HPB being an active member of any 
> ritualistic organizations in the 19 century. (See below). 
> Excellent, my brother. Facts are facts and this absence of 
> evidences is a FACT, for sure. 
> > 
> > As to her 'honorary membership' -- take a look at the facsimile 
> copy of HPB's masonic "Adoption" diploma in "HPB Speaks". That is 
> honorary, no doubt. 
> > 
> > Note that HPB denounced in most vehement terms the "ceremonial 
> magic" as a practice for the 19th century. 
> > 
> > She probably could smelll the uselessness, nay, the harmfulness of 
> it in the Aquarius Age... 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:51:39 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> > 
> > > Carlos,
> > > My answers are in capital letters. 
> > > 
> > > Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was ever active 
> in 
> > > such a a
> > > movement? NOTHING, AND THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT ANY "HONORARY 
> MEMBERS" 
> > > EITHER.
> > > 
> > > Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What about 
> > > originals of her
> > > statement that she belonged to it? ASK TILLETT, AND THE 
> RESEARCHERS 
> > > IN QC IN LONDON.
> > > 
> > > Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists) write about 
> such 
> > > an active
> > > membership? NO< ANF I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT EITHER.
> > > 
> > > What did Olcott tie about this? SORRY, BUT I DON"T UNDERSTAND 
> THIS 
> > > QUESTION. SAY IT IN OUTHER WORDS, PLEASE.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris include 
> anything 
> > > about that
> > > in HPB's Collected Writings? WAY DO ASK THAT TO ME? SORRY, THEY 
> ARE 
> > > BOTH DEAD, IF THEY WASEN'T, YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED THEM THAT, AND 
> NOT 
> > > ME. I THINK THERE IS A FOTNOT IN BCW, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK TO BE 
> SURE.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You know 
> there is 
> > > a lot of
> > > people talking to HPB and the Masters around the corner or 
> useing 
> > > their names
> > > for their own purposes.) YES, I KNOW THAT VERY MUCH. BUT THE 
> FACT 
> > > THAT THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT HBP AND THE MASTER, THAT YOU DON'T 
> > > HAPPENED TO LIKE, DOESEN'T MAKE THEM UNTRUE OR FALSE.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Carl
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was ever 
> active in 
> > > such a a movement? 
> > > > 
> > > > Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What about 
> > > originals of her statement that she belonged to it?
> > > > 
> > > > Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists) write about 
> > > such an active membership?
> > > > 
> > > > What did Olcott tie about this?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris include 
> > > anything about that in HPB's Collected Writings? 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You know 
> there 
> > > is a lot of people talking to HPB and the Masters around the 
> corner 
> > > or useing their names for their own purposes.) 
> > > > 
> > > > In bona fide, Carlos. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > Cópia:
> > > > 
> > > > Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:26:42 -0000
> > > > 
> > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > 
> > > > > Carlos,
> > > > > See the "Sat Bhai Code" below. Do you see anything about 
> > > > > any "honorary member" there?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Carl
> > > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > > CODE 
> > > > > OF
> > > > > THE ROYAL ORIENTAL ORDER
> > > > > OF
> > > > > SIKHA (APEX) AND THE SAT BHAI 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > RAHU 
> > > > > REPRESENTATIVE OF ARTIRAM
> > > > > AND OF 
> > > > > THE SAT BHAI OF PRAG 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > THE CODE OF SIKHA (APEX), &c. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > (1) This Oriental Order embraces the Perfect Terrestrial 
> Zone of 
> > > 360 
> > > > > degrees, and the Mystic Zone inclusive of all others, and 
> > > occupies 
> > > > > the highest point of the Masonic fabric. Therefore, while 
> under 
> > > its 
> > > > > benign influence, justice is done to all, and innovations 
> > > > > inconsistent with the grand principles of harmony, and a 
> just 
> > > > > equality, regulated to the varied circumstances of the 
> social 
> > > scale, 
> > > > > are righteously condemned. 
> > > > > (2) This Paramount Order is divided into two, namely, that 
> of 
> > > Sikha 
> > > > > (Apex), the Supreme and Ultimate Mundane, and of the Sat 
> Bhai of 
> > > > > Pryaya. 
> > > > > (3) It is a fundamental principle, that there has been a 
> regular 
> > > > > succession from the East of the whole Order; but more 
> especially 
> > > of 
> > > > > the Sat Bhai, and without this succession, the chief title 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > Order to universal respect could not exist. This being so, 
> the 
> > > > > Sponsor by whom the succession has been kept up, and such 
> > > Sponsors 
> > > > > as have been adopted into it, must in their dual capacity, 
> as 
> > > well 
> > > > > as individually, be incapable of deposition or supersession, 
> for 
> > > > > without them, and the possession by the original Sponsor of 
> the 
> > > Red 
> > > > > Ribbon of the Order, there could not possibly be any 
> succession, 
> > > and 
> > > > > consequently there could be no Order. 
> > > > > (4) But, inasmuch as worldly considerations, in their narrow 
> > > sense, 
> > > > > are alien to the spiritual instructions of the Sponsors, 
> they 
> > > have 
> > > > > been permitted to delegate their administrative and 
> executive 
> > > > > powers, in large measure, to the Arch Censors, who are 
> > > accordingly 
> > > > > charged with such duties, while the legislative function, 
> and 
> > > the 
> > > > > veto, personal as well as dual, remains with the former, as 
> an 
> > > > > unalienable inheritance, within the Perfect Circle, as 
> > > transmitted 
> > > > > by the Sat Bhai of Pryaya. 
> > > > > (5) At any moment of supreme peril to the occidental home of 
> the 
> > > > > Order of Sikha (Apex), and of the Sat Bhai, it shall be the 
> > > > > imperative duty of the First Sponsor, who holds the Red 
> Ribbon 
> > > of 
> > > > > the Order, to summon the Arch Arbiter, the Second Sponsor, 
> and 
> > > one 
> > > > > Arch Censor, and in their presence to break the seal of the 
> > > letter 
> > > > > from Prag, that contains the special mandate of the Lord of 
> the 
> > > > > Perfect Circle, and of the Sat Bhai, such mandate being 
> > > absolutely 
> > > > > irresistible, and of effect over the whole of this Code. And 
> > > with 
> > > > > the exception of this one reservation, this Code shall be 
> > > > > irrevocable and incapable of abrogation, and the Sponsors, 
> and 
> > > Arch 
> > > > > Censors are charged with its application to the organisation 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > mystic subjects of the Lord of the Perfect Terrestrial Zone. 
> > > > > (6) Within the Perfect Circle, the mystic numbers Nine and 
> Seven 
> > > are 
> > > > > pre-eminent, and while the Lord of the Perfect Circle and 
> the 
> > > > > Sponsors complete the higher number, the lower, under the 
> > > immediate 
> > > > > influence of the Sat Bhai, is subdivided into seven classes, 
> > > namely:-
> > > > > (1). Arch Censors. (2). Arch Couriers. (3). Arch Ministers. 
> (4). 
> > > > > Arch Heralds. (5). Arch Scribes. (6). Arch Auditors. (7). 
> Arch 
> > > > > Mutes. 
> > > > > (7) The Arch Censors, being of the highest dignity of the 
> Sat 
> > > Bhai, 
> > > > > rule the six subordinate classes, and each, in his own 
> > > jurisdiction, 
> > > > > is paramount. In this grade all are equal, and there is no 
> > > priority. 
> > > > > (8) Each Member of each Censorial Section of the six 
> subordinate 
> > > > > classes, shall be known personaily only to his own Censor, 
> and 
> > > to 
> > > > > the Sponsors under the Lord of the Perfect Zone and in the 
> chain 
> > > of 
> > > > > secrecy as well as of responsibility (nccessary for the 
> > > exclusion of 
> > > > > the uninitiated), every second link is locked downwards by 
> > > symbols, 
> > > > > signs and countersignshence, the Arch Censor is only known 
> to 
> > > his 
> > > > > own Arch Couriers, each of the latter to his own Arch 
> Ministers, 
> > > and 
> > > > > so on. 
> > > > > (9) No one can be admitted to the four higher classes of the 
> Sat 
> > > > > Bhai who has not been previously initiated in the Mystery of 
> > > > > Freemasonry; and it is a fundamental decree, that the 
> classes 
> > > Arch 
> > > > > Censor, and Arch Courier are closed against all but Master 
> > > Masons, 
> > > > > and those of higher degree. But the three lower classes are 
> open 
> > > to 
> > > > > both sexes, at the discretion of each Arch Censor, within 
> his 
> > > own 
> > > > > jurisdiction. 
> > > > > (10) In order to preserve the due relation between the 
> various 
> > > > > grades, and to distinguish those of greater exaltation, a 
> system 
> > > of 
> > > > > numbers pervades the whole, so that each individual may be 
> > > clearly 
> > > > > distinguished. But mystic names, conferred by the Sponsors, 
> > > pertain 
> > > > > exclusively to the four higher classes of the Sat Bhai; the 
> > > lower 
> > > > > receiving only ordinary names. These numbers run thus, 
> > > throughout 
> > > > > the combined Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat Bhai:- 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sikha (Apex)-the Supreme Mundane 1 
> > > > > ................... 2/1 [In a circle. 
> > > > > Sponsors ................... 2/2 " 
> > > > > ................... 2/3 " 
> > > > > A. Censor ................... 3/1 3/2 3/3 &c. 
> > > > > [In a triangle. 
> > > > > A. Courier .................... 4/1 &c. [In an 
> > > > > ellipse. 
> > > > > A. Minister ................... 5/1 &c. [In a 
> > > > > parallelogram. 
> > > > > A. Herald ................... 6/1 &c. [In a 
> > > > > lozenge. 
> > > > > A. Scribe ................... 7/1 &c. [Plain. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > A. Auditor ................... 8/1 &c. [Plain. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > A. Mute .................... 9/1 &c. [Plain. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Furthermore, to distinguish these grades within their 
> special 
> > > > > Circles, the svmbol of each Arch Censor is prefixed to the 
> > > number of 
> > > > > the inferior grade in the manner shown in plate 1, figure 1. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4/1 
> > > > > The Arch Courier 1, of Indra. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But as the A. C. has three symbols, the first is placed 
> before 
> > > the 
> > > > > Couriers, the second before the Ministers, and the third 
> before 
> > > the 
> > > > > Heralds. (11) Each member of each grade nominates seven 
> > > assistants, 
> > > > > and these seven, in like manner, seven probationers; but 
> these 
> > > > > receive only the simple number of their superior, a red 
> line, 
> > > drawn 
> > > > > horizontally through which, indicates an assistant, and a 
> red 
> > > one, 
> > > > > vertically, a probationer. These auxiliaries qualify to 
> become 
> > > Arch 
> > > > > Mutes, but are not considered as within the Perfect Circle, 
> nor 
> > > are 
> > > > > they admitted to its mysteries; they, however, are taught 
> that 
> > > the 
> > > > > mystery came from Pryaya, and are employed to advance the 
> cause 
> > > of 
> > > > > universal harmony, and their authority is a brief prescript 
> > > signed 
> > > > > by the immediate superior, by which their subordination, on 
> the 
> > > > > pledged word, is secured. 
> > > > > (12) The Obligation, on the simple word of honour of the 
> > > candidate, 
> > > > > in every class throughout the combined Order, is accepted as 
> > > > > sufficient. None but men of reputed honour, true to their 
> word, 
> > > are 
> > > > > admitted, and to such men, experience shows, that the 
> pledged 
> > > word 
> > > > > is as inviolable as the solemn oath, the latter as profane, 
> > > being 
> > > > > excluded from the presence of the Lord of the Perfect 
> Circle. 
> > > > > (13) Every member of the Order is bound to be in possession 
> of a 
> > > > > mandate or commission, signed in cipher by the Sponsors, and 
> > > > > endorsed in like manner, by their respective Arch Censors, 
> > > according 
> > > > > to the system of locked links. 
> > > > > (14) The Arch Censors are not necessarily known by their 
> > > personal 
> > > > > names to each other, but they may hold congress, under the 
> > > sanction 
> > > > > of the sponsors, for the discussion of important matters 
> > > connected 
> > > > > with their own jurisdiction, and within its limits; but one 
> > > > > dissencient voice, whether the whole be present or not, 
> shall 
> > > > > invalidate any regulation framed by such congress, and the 
> veto 
> > > of 
> > > > > the Sponsors, individual as well as dual, will have the same 
> > > effect, 
> > > > > the object being to protect the perhaps farther seeing, 
> > > minority, a 
> > > > > policy taught by the history of mankind. 
> > > > > (15) The Sponsors are to be furnished with quarterly 
> reports, 
> > > > > commencing on the first day of each year, by each Censor, 
> who in 
> > > > > like manner will- be furnished with the necessary report, by 
> his 
> > > > > subordinates, and, a return of moneys due and paid, shall be 
> > > > > comprised in these reports, in addition to administrative 
> > > details. 
> > > > > (16) These reports will be framed according to the nature of 
> the 
> > > > > duties of each class thus: The Arch Censors have the 
> > > superintendence 
> > > > > of the Masonic world, from 360 ° to 19 °; the Arch Couriers 
> from 
> > > 18 
> > > > > ° to 11 %#176;;- The Arch Ministers from 10 ° to 4 °; the 
> Arch 
> > > > > Heralds from 3 ° to 1 °. The Arch Scribes are charged with 
> > > fiscal 
> > > > > details, the payment of fees for charters, and commissions 
> to 
> > > the 
> > > > > Arch Illuminator for materials and work supplied, and the 
> fees 
> > > on 
> > > > > admission, and exaltation, as settled, and regulated by the 
> Arch 
> > > > > Censors, the latter being charged with a general 
> supervision. 
> > > The 
> > > > > Arch Auditors and Arch Mutes are charged with the collection 
> of 
> > > > > important information from all sources, public and private. 
> > > > > The Sponsors receive no fees, but whatever is voted to them 
> by 
> > > the 
> > > > > Arch Censors, they may accept. 
> > > > > (17) The Arch Arbiter is the highest judicial functionary, 
> and 
> > > is 
> > > > > known only by his name within the Perfect Circle, but has no 
> > > active 
> > > > > part or responsibility in the Order, and is superseded 
> > > periodically. 
> > > > > (18) In each case when a superior is addressed, he must be 
> > > protected 
> > > > > by his inferior against the expenses of a correspondence 
> which 
> > > must 
> > > > > necessarily be of vast extent, and which would be oppressive 
> to 
> > > the 
> > > > > superior. 
> > > > > (19) The offices of Arch Emissary, Arch Secretary, Arch 
> > > Historian, 
> > > > > Arch Treasurer, Arch Auditor and Arch Illuminator are 
> tentative, 
> > > the 
> > > > > first, fourth, and fifth being extra to the Order. Of their 
> > > > > patronage, the first is in the gift of the Sponsors, the 
> second 
> > > and 
> > > > > sixth of the first Sponsor, or he who holds the Red Ribbon 
> and 
> > > Bell 
> > > > > of the Order, the third, fourth, and fifth, of the Arch 
> Censors. 
> > > > > (20) Among the archives of the Order are many fragments of 
> > > Oriental 
> > > > > antiquity, and these comprise various documents in the 
> ancient 
> > > > > languages of the East. When required to secure in a printed 
> > > form, 
> > > > > the Book of Sikha (Apex), and Legend of the Red Ribbon, the 
> > > first 
> > > > > Sponsor will receive proposals from the Arch Censors with 
> that 
> > > end 
> > > > > in view, one grand object of the Order being to incite to a 
> > > study of 
> > > > > the great truths contained in early Sanskrit literature. 
> > > > > (21) No member of the Order can be superseded or expelled, 
> nor 
> > > shall 
> > > > > he have the power to resign his office (and never his 
> > > membership) 
> > > > > without the final sanction of the Sponsors, under the advice 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > Arch Arbiter, or Hindu referee. 
> > > > > (22) The R.O.O. of Sikha and the Sat Bhai is the only system 
> of 
> > > > > Round or Natural Freemasonry. 
> > > > > (23) The signs and passwords of this Order are issued only 
> by 
> > > the 
> > > > > First Sponsor triennially, when they are changed at the 
> Vernal 
> > > > > Equinox. No S.B. can share in the rites and councils of the 
> > > Order 
> > > > > who is not in possession of the signs and passwords of the 
> > > smaller 
> > > > > cycles. But the Illuminated who are in the innermost circle 
> are 
> > > > > exempt from ordinary rules. An Arch Censor may be 
> Illuminated 
> > > > > without preliminary perfection or maturity, and only the 
> > > Illuminated 
> > > > > are eligible to succeed to the death vacancy of a Sponsor. 
> > > > > (24) The great Lotus Seal of the Order is common to the 
> > > > > Jurisdictions of the Order, but its custodian must be 
> elected in 
> > > the 
> > > > > jurisdiction, and subject to the confirmation of the First 
> > > Sponsor. 
> > > > > (25) The Code of Sikha (Apex) is the sole law of the R.O.O., 
> and 
> > > is 
> > > > > immutable. But signs and passwords are tentative for fixed 
> > > periods, 
> > > > > and bye-laws may be permitted tentatively by Rahu, as 
> > > representative 
> > > > > of Artiram. Nothing is valid without the personal and usual 
> lay 
> > > > > signature of the Arch Secretary to verity it. 
> > > > > (26) The Third Sponsor, as a rule, dormant, may, by the 
> > > proclamation 
> > > > > of the First Sponsor, be called into activity and duality 
> with 
> > > him, 
> > > > > whereupon the Second Sponsor becomes for a season or seasons 
> > > > > dormant. No Sponsor can be also an Arch Censor, but he may 
> > > > > temporarily discharge the latter's functions. 
> > > > > (27) The Vernal Equinoxes for changing signs and Passwords 
> are 
> > > in 
> > > > > 1877, 1875, 1878, 1881, 1884, 1887, 1890, &c. 
> > > > > (28) There are three Seals, viz. -The Great Lotus Seal; the 
> Key 
> > > Seal 
> > > > > of the Arch Secretary; and the First Sponsors Privy Seal; 
> There 
> > > are 
> > > > > also the Arch Censors' segmental Seals. 
> > > > > (29) No Ritual can be used which is not stamped with the 
> Great 
> > > Seal 
> > > > > of the Order produced in Ashayana. So also Perfected 
> Sadhanams, 
> > > > > Marks, and Illuminated Sadhanams are invalid without the 
> said 
> > > seal 
> > > > > and the confirmation of the First Sponsor presiding in 
> Ashayana. 
> > > The 
> > > > > Order holds Ghonslas Ashayanas, and Nidams, to which there 
> is no 
> > > > > admission without Mandate or Sadhanam. The latter is 
> ineffectual 
> > > > > unless endorsed by the Arch Secretary in his usual lay 
> > > signature. 
> > > > > (30) No Sat Bhai can resign, but absolute ignoring of O.B., 
> or 
> > > any 
> > > > > notoriously gross act of dishonour involves de facto, loss 
> of 
> > > rank 
> > > > > to be signified by the First Sponsor and Arch Secretary. 
> > > > > (31) There may be more than one jurisdiction. That of the 
> First 
> > > > > Sponsor is the paramount. Each may have its own A. Censors, 
> &c.; 
> > > > > Segments may be exchanged. 
> > > > > (32) There are seven Provinces or an Heptarchy in England, 
> > > Scotland, 
> > > > > and Ireland. Mahanathas rule these by charter under the 
> Great 
> > > Seal 
> > > > > of the Order. The Sponsors form the Court of Appeal of 
> these, 
> > > but no 
> > > > > Sponsor can receive any donative or fee of intrinsic value. 
> In 
> > > their 
> > > > > case gifts must be honorary, such as testimonials on 
> parchment. 
> > > > > (33) 'The Feathers of the Sat Bhai', Archaeological Tracts 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > R.O.O. may be under the editorship of any S.B. duly 
> appointed. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > SYMBOLS, ETC. 
> > > > > The symbols, Paroles and countersigns, ancient and modern, 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and of the Sat Bhai of 
> > > Pryaya. 
> > > > > (1) The Symbols of Sikha (Apex) are:- (1) The Mundane Egg. 
> (2). 
> > > The 
> > > > > Crossed Square within a Perfect circle. (3). The Fruit of 
> the 
> > > Sacred 
> > > > > Lotus. (4). The Harmonic Octave, expressed by its graphic 
> > > expression 
> > > > > of a double shell. (5) The Anga. (6) A swan. (7) A Bull. 
> [plate 
> > > 1, 
> > > > > figures 1,2,3,4,5,6,7]. The Symbol of the Sat Bhai is Seven 
> Grey 
> > > > > Feathers, 2,3, and 2 
> > > > > (2) The symbols of the Dual Sponsors are - (1).The Crescent 
> > > Moon. 
> > > > > (2). The Signs of the Ascending and of the descending Node. 
> Of 
> > > the 
> > > > > first Sponsor-- (1). The Rose. (2) The Kamalata. (3) An 
> Arrow. 
> > > Of 
> > > > > the Second Sponsor--(1). An Unicorn's Horn. (2) The 
> Amaranth. Of 
> > > the 
> > > > > Dormant Sponsor--The Sun in eclipse. 
> > > > > The parole or pass-word to the Sponsors is ......... ; the 
> sign, 
> > > > > touching the......... of the ......... 
> > > > > (3) The Arch Censors are in the third yug symbolised by a 
> Boar 
> > > > > avatar (plate 1, figure 18]. Their distinctive symbols are 
> three 
> > > > > each:- 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. Indra I A Thunderbolt 2 A Lamp 3. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2. Ganesha 1 An EIephant 2 A Conch 3.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3. Agni 1 A Flame 2 A Lotus 3.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4. Surya 1 A Wheel 2 Sunflower 3.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5. Kartikeya 1 A Peacock 2 A Sword 3.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6. Kama 1 A Parrot 2 A Bent Bow 3.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 7. Daksha 1 A Dexter Hand 2 An Ear of Wheat
> > > > > 3.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The pass-word to the Arch Censors is......... ; the sign, 
> > > touching 
> > > > > the......... of the right ......... 
> > > > > (4) The Arch Couriers are in the fourth yug, of which the 
> symbol 
> > > is 
> > > > > a lion-headed man. They have one distinctive symbol each 
> placed 
> > > > > under their respective A. Censor's first symbol. The 
> password to 
> > > > > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching the......... 
> with 
> > > > > the......... forefinger. 
> > > > > (5) The Arch Ministers are in the fifth yug, symbolised by 
> two 
> > > > > interlaced triangles. They have one distinctive symbol each, 
> > > placed 
> > > > > under their respective A. Censor's second symbol. The 
> password 
> > > to 
> > > > > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching the......... of 
> > > > > the......... 
> > > > > (6) The Arch Heralds are in the sixth yug, for which the 
> symbol 
> > > is 
> > > > > an antique crown. They have one distinctive symbol each, 
> placed 
> > > > > under their respective A. Censor's third symbol. The 
> password to 
> > > > > this grade is......... the sign, the palms......... 
> > > > > (7) The Arch Scribes are in the seventh yug. There are no 
> > > symbols in 
> > > > > this grade, but the A. Ss. have distinctive numbers in the 
> > > Nagara 
> > > > > character. Pass-word.......... No sign. 
> > > > > (8) The Arch Auditors are in the eighth yug. They have each 
> a 
> > > > > Devanagri letter before their names, under the Minister's 
> > > symbol. No 
> > > > > password. No sign. 
> > > > > (9) The Arch Mutes are in the ninth yug: They have each a 
> letter 
> > > in 
> > > > > the Devanagri character before their names and under the 
> > > Herald's 
> > > > > symbol. No pass-word. No sign. 
> > > > > Nomenclature of the Arch Grades, under the Lord of the 
> Perfect 
> > > Zone, 
> > > > > 360 °:- 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1 Sponsor.............. Rahu 
> > > > > 2 Sponsor.............. Ketu 
> > > > > 3 Kamadyam......... [Dormant] 
> > > > > 1 Arch Censor Indra 1 Arch Minister
> > > > > Dhanus 
> > > > > 2 " " Ganesha 2 " "
> > > > > Mesha 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3 " " Agni 3 " "
> > > > > Vrisha 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4 " " Surya 4 " " Simha
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5 " " Kartikeya 5 " "
> > > > > Makara 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6 " " Kama 6 " " Kumba
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 7 " " Daksha 7 " "
> > > > > Karkata 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1 Arch Courier Kuvera 1 Arch Herald
> > > > > Sanjaya 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2 " " Vira Badra 2 " "
> > > > > Heri 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3 " " Bhairava 3 " "
> > > > > Rama 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4 " " Varuna 4 " "
> > > > > Nareda 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5 " " Yama 5 " "
> > > > > Agastya 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6 " " Garuda 6 " " Hotri
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 7 " " Aruna 7 " "
> > > > > Petri 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1 Arch Scribe Pravaha 1 Arch Auditor Rad
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2 " " Avaha 2 " " Tara
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3 " " Udraha 3 " "
> > > > > Nadiyan 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4 " " Samkaha 4 " "
> > > > > Ankhen 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5 " " Vivaha 5 " " Kan
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6 " " Parivaha 6 " "
> > > > > Udaka 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 7 " " Nivaha 7 " " Vayu 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1 Arch Mute Kalga fem. Narangi 
> > > > > 2 " " Pipat " Angur 
> > > > > 3 " " Bat " Zaitun 
> > > > > 4 " " Champa " Seb 
> > > > > 5 " " Tulasi " Angir 
> > > > > 6 " " Singarhar " Badan 
> > > > > 7 " " Soma " Anar 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > (10) Oriental garments being disused, except the Grey Choga 
> and 
> > > Cap, 
> > > > > the only mark of membership is a red silk cord of three 
> strands, 
> > > > > round the neck. 
> > > > > The general pass-word is......... The colours of the Order 
> are 
> > > Red, 
> > > > > Blue, White; those of Sponsors, Red, Blue, Yellow; and of 
> > > Segments, 
> > > > > the Prismatic. 
> > > > > MONETARY REGULATIONS 
> > > > > Under the supervision of the Arch Censors, Arch Treasurer, 
> and 
> > > Arch 
> > > > > Scribes, and extra to the Order. 
> > > > > (1) A reserve fund for charity, and the use of the 
> intelligence 
> > > > > department, is to be formed. 
> > > > > (2) The Sponsors having renounced all Claim on the funds of 
> the 
> > > > > Order, they may accept donations as offerings to Sikha 
> (Apex) 
> > > > > without injury to the spiritual element, if voluntarily, and 
> > > > > unconditionally made by the Arch Censors. 
> > > > > (3) The Arch Censors and their subordinates are entitled to 
> > > > > remuneration for actual work done. The Arch Censors' 
> regulations 
> > > > > must be accepted, if promulgated by the Seven in Congress, 
> and 
> > > > > unanimous. 
> > > > > 4) The Arch Secretary is entitled to recompense for time and 
> > > outlay. 
> > > > > (5) The Arch Illuminator is entitled to recompense for time 
> and 
> > > > > outlay, in preparing charters or commissions, &c. His 
> charges 
> > > have 
> > > > > been allowed. For a parchment charter, if required 
> illuminated, 
> > > one 
> > > > > guinea; for a prescript or mandate, two shillings and 
> sixpence; 
> > > and 
> > > > > for symbols of Sponsors and Censors, each one shilling. 
> > > > > (6) The Arch Treasurer is entitled to a percentage on the 
> funds, 
> > > the 
> > > > > same to be fixed by the Arch Censors in Congress. 
> > > > > (7) The other Arch Officers receive remuneration according 
> to 
> > > duties 
> > > > > performed, or expenses incurred. 
> > > > > (8) The first Occidental Arch Censors, under the 
> dispensation of 
> > > the 
> > > > > Lord of the Perfect Zone, have entered the Circle free; but 
> > > their 
> > > > > successors, and those of the grades under their 
> jurisdiction, 
> > > are 
> > > > > required to pay the following fees to the Arch Treasurer for 
> the 
> > > > > Arch Censors:- 
> > > > > £ s. d. £ s. d.
> > > > > 
> > > > > A. Mute " " A. Auditor " "
> > > > > 
> > > > > A. Scribe " " A. Herald "
> > > > > " 
> > > > > A. Minister " " A. Courier "
> > > > > " 
> > > > > A. Censor £ " " 
> > > > > These fees may be regulated from time to time. 
> > > > > To obviate the inconvenience of disclosing the titles of the 
> > > Order 
> > > > > to the outer world, the postal address will be 'Secretary 
> (or 
> > > other) 
> > > > > of the Royal Oriental S. B. Order.' 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl, Tillett, Friends, 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > OK. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So HPB was an "honorary member" of the Sat Bhai, and this, 
> as 
> > > > > early as 1877.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Honorary member is no active member; it means that a 
> homage 
> > > was 
> > > > > made to her. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Not the only one -- as she had a diploma from "Adoption 
> > > Masonry", 
> > > > > too. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Honorary titles.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Data:Sat, 4 Nov 2006 07:12:20 +1100 (EST)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In April, 1878, HPB and Colonel Olcott discussed this 
> > > > > possibility, and
> > > > > > > concluded that it would serve to restore "the vital 
> element 
> > > of 
> > > > > Oriental
> > > > > > > Mysticism" to the higher degrees. But there were 
> objections 
> > > from 
> > > > > Indian
> > > > > > > members of the TS, and the scheme was abandoned. 
> However, 
> > > both 
> > > > > HPB and
> > > > > > > Olcott were made Honorary Members of the Sat B'hai, on 
> > > August 9, 
> > > > > 1877. 
> > > > > > > HPB was made a member of the sixth degree, level one, 
> Arch 
> > > > > Auditor; the
> > > > > > > name of this degree and level was Rad, and, like the 
> fifth 
> > > and 
> > > > > seventh
> > > > > > > degrees, was open both non-Masons and to women. HSO was 
> made 
> > > a 
> > > > > member of
> > > > > > > the second degree, sixth level. Arch Courier; the name 
> of 
> > > this 
> > > > > degree was
> > > > > > > Garuda, and it was open only to Master Masons (as was 
> the 
> > > first 
> > > > > degree). 
> > > > > > > In Sat B'hai the first degree was the highest, and the 
> > > seventh 
> > > > > the lowest.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat 
> B'hai 
> > > seems 
> > > > > to have
> > > > > > > been founded by an Anglo-Indian, Captain James Henry 
> > > Lawrence 
> > > > > Archer of
> > > > > > > the Indian Army, but the organization of the Order was 
> > > largely 
> > > > > of the work
> > > > > > > of Kenneth Robert Henderson Mackenzie (1833-86), author 
> of 
> > > > > the "Royal
> > > > > > > Masonic Cyclopaedia" (1877), and a member of the TS. The 
> > > first 
> > > > > public
> > > > > > > statements about the Order appeared in correspondence 
> > > in "The 
> > > > > Freemason"
> > > > > > > in early 1871, however although great claims were made 
> for 
> > > its 
> > > > > antiquity
> > > > > > > and importance, and despite Mackenzie's efforts to 
> establish 
> > > it 
> > > > > as a
> > > > > > > working organization, it does not seem to have moved 
> much 
> > > beyond 
> > > > > being a
> > > > > > > plan. By January, 1879, Mackenzie had concluded that the 
> > > Order 
> > > > > had
> > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The Sat B'hai was never adopted for use within the TS.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Information on the membership of HPB and HSO in Sat 
> B'hai 
> > > comes 
> > > > > from the
> > > > > > > archives of the Order which were (and, I believe, still 
> are) 
> > > in 
> > > > > the Yarker
> > > > > > > archives in London, where I had access to them.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dr Gregory Tillett
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
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