Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01301)

In what Mr. Aveline writes below, this
is how HE see the movement.

His great concern is Leadbeater and the TS
Adyar and therefore from his point of view,
this is what is most important.

But others may see it differently plus
historians are interested in particular subjects
regardless of what the average Theosophist may be
interested in or what Mr. Aveline wants the rest of
us to be interested in.

Mr. Aveline apparently wants all the attention placed on
his subjects and his "take" of the Theosophical
Movement but others may have different interests,
etc.

Also notice what Mr. Aveline writes:

"....one or two people [are] interested in manipulating and 
exaggerating past differences and past unfortunate events...."

But it is some of those "past differences and past unfortunate events"
which are covered in THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT book, the 1951 
edition, which is still sold by the Theosophy Company and sold by ULT 
lodges.

If all of this is so irrelevant now, then why does the Theosophy 
Company and the ULT lodges still sell this book?????

Goodness Mr. Aveline should start a letter writing campaign to have 
all of this old, outdated material made out of print and 
unavailable!!!

The book is even online at the Phoenix ULT website.

But apparently it is okay by Mr. Aveline for the ULT folks to STILL 
disseminate this material about "past differences and past 
unfortunate events" but if Carl Ek or I bring these matters up, Mr. 
Aveline trotts out all his "reasons" for ignoring these events, etc.

Therefore I am glad that Carl Ek has continued to post various 
observations, etc. on these subjects which apparently Mr. Aveline is 
so "desperate" to ignore, or hide under the rug, etc.

And I will continue to post some of this material as time permits.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc


 
> Carl,
> 
> Thanks for your honest posting.
> 
> You ask: 
> 
> "But then tell me, Carlos. Why is the ULT so negative about 
Hargrove?
> Hence Pasadena and ULT do not agree a bit about what happened 
> between 1905 and 1909, it's not easy to find out the truth."
> 
> I say:
> 
> Your sources might be outdated. And these questions are side-issues 
of scarce real importance now for the movement as a whole. 
> 
> On the other hand, I guess you will see a balanced, thoughtful and 
insightful approach to these problems in Ernest Pelletier's book "THE 
JUDGE CASE". You really should read this book,  which contains and 
constitutes a library of information.
> 
> Pelletier, a Canadian author who is with the Edmonton Theosophical 
Society,  is, I guess, very sympathetic towards Hargrove. You can see 
that by yourself.  Yet his views are very serene and balanced, and 
the Edmonton Theosophical Society has, to say the least, lots of 
things in common with the ULT,  and many a mutual help mechanism with 
ULT associates.   
> 
> Except for one or two people interested in manipulating and 
exaggerating past differences and past unfortunate events, you will 
not find many HPB students interested in denying one central and 
basic fact. 
> 
> The basic fact is that  the common Teaching which unites all groups 
of HPB/Masters students is immensely greater, wider and more 
luminous, as a factor,  than those issues in which these groups think 
differently.
> 
> Only the differences between HPB/Masters students and Leadbeater's 
false clairvoyance and ritualism (which are at psychiatrically linked 
to CWL's  pedophily and to his self-importance "initiate" delusions) -
- only  these differences are in fact irreconcilable.  
> 
> I hope you can see that.  
> 
> We all have a vast field in common, from G. Farthing readers and 
many other Adyar members,  to the Pasadena TS, the ULT, the Edmonton 
Theosophical Society, the Point Loma Groups, and distinguished 
theosophists as Richard Robb, or José Ramón Sordo's 
excellent "Fundación Blavatsky" in Mexico, etc., and so on. 
> 
> That is my sincere answer to your question. 
> 
> Regards,   Carlos. 
>