Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00182)

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Data:Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:11:27 -0800 (PST)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Frank the Nazi

> We must thank Carlos for testing the level of development of our personal ego.
> Cass
> 
> cardosoaveline wrote: 
> Frank, 
> 
> What can you tell us about the neonazi gayish Nazi cults 
> around "Hitler the superman"? Does Freud, the Jew, explain all 
> that queer machoism? 
> 
> Carlos. 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Daniel,
> > why don't you stop debating with Carlos?
> > It is the only way to silence him.
> > 
> > All his hundreds of annoyances show what type of people he is.
> > 
> > You Daniel were always - as far as I have observed it - upholding 
> the esoteric tradition of HPB, Judge, Tingley and Purucker and 
> defending it against the exoteric remodeling in Carlos' jewish ULT 
> fashion.
> > HPB always condemned the jewish exoteric and materialistic 
> remodeling of the ancient wisdom doctrine, f.e.:
> > 
> > 1. "It was Iamblichus who added to it the Egyptian doctrine of 
> Theurgy with its practices, and Porphyry, the Jew, who opposed this 
> new element."
> > http://www.theosophical.ca/SecDoctrine3C.htm#303
> > 
> > 2. "If Porphyry, the Jew Malek, went against Theurgy on account of 
> old traditional recollections, there were other teachers who 
> practised it. Plotinius, Iamblichus, Proclus, were all 
> thaumaturgists..."
> > http://www.theosophical.ca/SecDoctrine3C.htm#303
> > 
> > Much more could be given. 
> > 
> > A strange sophism to allege that "esoteric" means "for the few"!!! 
> This is of course not the teaching of the theosophical esoteric 
> teachers from HPB down to Purucker.
> > HPB's esoteric school was publicly announced and everyone was 
> invited to join it and not only the few. Who decides in the ULT who 
> is elect? Is the leader of the ULT a bodhisattva?
> > HPB meant by "esoteric" rather "with explanation".
> > 
> > As this simply facts are easy to discover for every honest 
> reseacher one wonders why Carlos uninterrupted in hundreds of email 
> annoyances (indeed a second Brigitte) tries to sell us what is easy 
> to proof as untruth?
> > 
> > I don't know his motive for his lies and it concerns me not.
> > 
> > What me concerns is, why you Daniel, continue to debate with him 
> and give him therefore attention which he does not deserve.
> > 
> > Are the theosophists of the 21th Century the blind astral track 
> followers of the old jewish traditional recollections?
> > 
> > Frank
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: carlosaveline 
> > To: theos-talk 
> > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:34 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Dissension Archives Online Shows Itself
> > 
> > 
> > Daniel,
> > 
> > You are showing what you are, under the appearance of a Blavatsky 
> student.
> > 
> > By rejecting the esoteric tradition as such, by saying that any 
> wisdom tradition which has any degree of secrecy is bad, or fake, 
> you are showing that you are against HPB and against what she 
> standed for. And in so doing you defend exactly the same thesis as 
> Solovyof, as the Coulombs and as the 19th century SPR. They said HPB 
> was a fraud ... because she kept secrecy about some things. 
> > 
> > Yet secrecy is NOT a synonym to fraud, as we know. 
> > 
> > HPB work was about the esoteric tradition. "Esoteric" means "for 
> the few".
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:43:11 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Tillett: "...too threatening....would have 
> undermined the public claims...."
> > 
> > > Tillett: "...too threatening....
> > > would have undermined the public claims...."
> > > 
> > > Gregory Tillett on the Secrecy of the Dzyan Esoteric School [of 
> the 
> > > ULT]
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 20, 2003, I posted on Theos-Talk the following text 
> concerning 
> > > the secrecy of the Dzyan Esoteric School [of the ULT]. The 
> posting 
> > > was addressed to the historian Gregory Tillett:
> > > 
> > > =================================================
> > > Gregory, you wrote:
> > > 
> > > "The DES . . . remains ONE OF THE GREAT SECRETS of Theosophical
> > > history. . . . I hope that its history and teachings will be made
> > > accessible to students of Theosophical history when I complete 
> the
> > > history of secret societies in the Theosophical movement. . . . 
> But
> > > the role of the DES has been even greater than that of the Adyar 
> and
> > > Pt Loma ES groups because it has remained largely 'INVISIBLE'."
> > > caps added.
> > > 
> > > Several students and I have been engaging in several discussions 
> on
> > > the DES and one question we have is:
> > > 
> > > WHY has the DES remained such a GREAT SECRET and so INVISIBLE?
> > > What has motivated ULT/DES members to be so secretive and guarded
> > > about even the existence of DES?
> > > 
> > > In contrast, HPB publicly announced the formation of the 
> E.S.T.S. in
> > > the pages of LUCIFER and LUCIFER, THE PATH and THE THEOSOPHIST 
> in the
> > > late 1880s and 1890s had information from time to time 
> concerning the
> > > E.S.T.S.
> > > ==============================================================
> > > Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-
> talk/message/12046
> > > 
> > > Dr. Tillett replied as follows:
> > > 
> > > ==============================================================
> > > Good question! I can only assume that (i) the ULT placed such
> > > emphasis on there being no organization, no leadership and no
> > > authority within the ULT (not, of course, the case in fact) that 
> the
> > > acknowledgement of an inner group would have been too 
> threatening and
> > > would have undermined the public claims, and (ii) the existence 
> of a
> > > secret group that really was kept secret provided greater status 
> for
> > > the members of it....
> > > 
> > > ...It would be good if all the DES documents could be published
> > > together with a history of this important branch (if we can call 
> it
> > > that) of the ES tradition within the TS. I have had some 
> interesting
> > > conversations with ULT "important people" about the DES ....
> > > no-one has ever denied its existence, but nor have they admitted 
> it.
> > > Rather like talking with Adyar people about the Egyptian Rite, 
> the
> > > details and rituals of which should also be published.
> > > ===========================================================
> > > Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-
> talk/message/12057
> > > 
> > > Notice Tillett's significant words:
> > > 
> > > "...acknowledgement of an inner group would have been TOO 
> THREATENING 
> > > and would have UNDERMINED THE PUBLIC CLAIMS...." caps added.
> > > 
> > > Maybe now in 2006 Gregory could give us more of his thinking 
> about 
> > > this significant statement that he made in 2003.
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
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> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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