Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00331)

Some more science-philosophy talk that has theosophical significance
Lenny
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John,
Thanks for the applause. (At least for the first part of my discourse on 
time.)

Too bad you can't maintain your enthusiasm by following my reasoning through 
the mext part -- which considers that the "whole schmier (=multiverse)" you 
speak of is "timeless" only because the change of its infinite potential energy 
is zero ... Due to its circular motion or angular momentum (G-force) being the 
result of only its nonlinear spin that is eternally the same... Since, 
(whatever such fundamental space at the absolute zero-point singularity is) -- it 
just goes round and round forever. 

However, at the first moment of that nonlinear spin being impelled to expand 
(on one of its infinite axes that represents our particular universe) and 
become encircling linear motion -- its initial, infinitesimally short time cycle 
or ultimate instant of change first begins.  It's obvious that the initial 
three cycle formation of the first cosmic field must be so rapid as to have near 
infinite frequency of change and, thus, an infinitesimally short instant of 
time for each triune cycle of its radiant zero-point energy flow.

Then, as these initial triune fields further involve fractally, the inner 
fields must sequentially step down in frequency (with correspondingly longer time 
instants) until after four such iterations, the EM frequency range of our 
configuration space-time is reached.  See diagrams at:
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html

Thus, the cyclic time instant changes (and, accordingly, the speed of light) 
through successively different orders of frequency-energy, as the subtlest 
initial universal fields (let's call them "spiritual") fractally steps down 
(let's say through the "mental" and "astral" fields) to the gross levels of time 
and space we currently experience on the physical field level. 

Of course, the higher order fields at the astral, mental and spiritual levels 
-- although with differing time constants and frequencies progressively 
closer to the timeless origin -- still remain coenergetically connected with all 
the metric fields on our lowest order plane of physical matter.  Further, all 
such analogous fields surrounding any zero-point center of any particle field, 
or higher composite form of matter, are also, always similarly coadunate but 
not consubstantial.

Since our physical senses are designed to respond solely to this plane of 
experience, all those higher order fields of consciousness remain invisible to 
us... (Except when we can become capable of using our inner psychic senses to 
meditate on them.)   Additionally, the closer their frequencies are to the 
shortest instant of time after the zero-time of the initial spinergy, the longer 
these fractal fields can maintain their phenomenal existence.

Thus, the cosmic spiritual field level could last as long as the entire 
physical universe up until its final dissipation at the end of its life cycle.   By 
analogy and correspondence, this would account for our continued 
consciousness at its spiritual (and higher intuitive mental) level remaining intact after 
our death and prior to our next incarnation on Earth (at least as long as the 
solar system remains intact).  After that, it's anyone's guess of where our 
zero-point of individual (not personal) consciousness might end up. 

Incidentally, the information that the initial cosmic fields contain as 
holographic wave interference patterns on their surfaces are the roots of all forms 
that eventually evolve on the physical plane.  This is due to the memory 
captured in its spinergy of all previous cosmic experience in its earlier cycles 
of phenomenal manifestation. (Although to speak of earlier or later on the 
level of timelessness is meaningless.)  Accordingly, since this spinergy is what 
gives birth to the universe, we might consider it the cosmic egg.  It seems 
logical that the apparently conscous zero-point center of the spinergy that 
represents unborn Absolute or primal space, is what fructifies it. 

I hope the above, should you follow and accept its reasonable and logical 
conclusions, might support your continued enthusiasm -- or, if not, at least 
satisfy your enjoyment of fairy tales. :-)

As for the chicken-egg question you are right that the egg which has the 
potential to "evolve" (I'd rather say "birth") the chicken, must come first in 
logical order of biological development.  But, the question still remains... 
Where did the chicken ("hen" like I said before) come from who laid that first 
egg?  And, where did the rooster come from that fertilized it?  I'm sure (with 
tongue in cheek:-') that the evolutionary biologists can give us a clear 
explanation of the process that led to the first chicken and first egg.  It may be as 
simple as explaining which came first, the conscious zero point of absolute 
space, or the spinergy that surrounds and accompanies it?  (Although I doubt 
one can exist without the other.) 

Best wishes,

Leon



In a message dated 12/1/06 6:55:15 PM, jamikes@prodigy.net writes:


> Leon,
> you started out with 'time' in a way I can only applaud. I formulated it as 
> organizing parameter for the 'change', whether we consider it a physical 
> movement or a mental one.  (Then you keep talking and my enthusiasm dwindles with 
> every 100 word you write).
> In my narrative the whole schmier (=Multiverse) starts from a timeless 
> origin.
> Just a word to the obsolete chicken-egg antiquity: the egg is a cell with 
> potential to evolve a chicken and a chicken (as a machine) produces an egg: the 
> evolving from a potetial is definitely primatry to the organized production 
> by the evolved machinery.
> 
> In your 'roosterish' male chauvinism you forget that a rooster does not lay 
> eggs.
> 
> John
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: leonmaurer@aol.com
>   To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:56 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] Re: Article: On the Mentation of Robots 
> confusion.
> 
> 
> 
>   In a message dated 11/30/06 7:50:27 PM, peter@dollyknot.com writes:
> 
> 
>     The chicken and the egg must be one of the oldest red herrings there is.
> 
>     The chicken and the egg are the same things at different times, time is 
> the
>     paradox here, not form or function. Of all the puzzling things I think 
> of,
>     the most puzzling for me is time.
> 
> 
>   Where's the puzzle?  Time, as I see it, has no real existence and is 
> nothing more than simply a measure of change -- which is based on one cycle of 
> motion or another.   This accounts for the difference in the speed of light in 
> each descending order of fractally involved coenergetic fields as postulated 
> in the ABC model ... Since, theoretically, in any spherical energy field, at 
> any level of infinitely divisible space, the cycle of its fundamental 
> electrodynamic vibrational frequency would determine the basic measure of time in 
> that hyperspace dimension -- which could be of any frequency phase order from 
> near zero time measure to near infinite.  So, in our physical (metric) space 
> time continuum, gamma waves would be the high end, and long radio waves the low 
> end.  None of them, however, even coming close to the vibrational frequency 
> of the hyperspace-time within the Planck vacuum in the vicinity of the 
> zero-point.  But, then, all that rests on the multidimensional hyperspace fields 
> postulated by string theory -- which, like conventional science that assumes 
> consciousness is an epiphenomena of matter, also cannot be proven using the 
> scientific method.
> 

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