Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00567)

Carlos,
Is it this line you are basing everything on?

"There is way to little info on the Jesuits on Caldwell's website."

Please! I know personally several very sincere and honest 
Theosophists with web pages, which not are mentioning one single 
word on or about Jesuits, including ULT web pages, on their pages. 
That is not proofing anything, at all! It's just a silly way of 
acting from your side!

Carl

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Both Carl and I cannot see any link, perhaps you need to re-read 
it.
> Cass
> 
> carlosaveline <carlosaveline@...> 
wrote:                                  Cass,
>  
>  Take a slower reading  at it, then.
>  
>  Carlos. 
>  De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>  
>  Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>  
>  Cópia:
>  
>  Data:Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:03:50 -0800 (PST)
>  
>  Assunto:Re: Theos-World SUFILIGHT EXPANDS ON JESUITISM
>  
>  > I had a quick read of it but couldn't find the link, perhaps 
you could post what you are referring to Carlos.
>  > Cass
>  > 
>  > cardosoaveline wrote: 
>  > Friends, 
>  > 
>  > In the posting below, "Sufilight" explains what he meant by the 
>  > Jesuitic presence in Caldwell's website. 
>  > 
>  > I don't remember Mr. Caldwell having "time" to answer it so 
far, 
>  > but I may be wrong. Perhaps Mr. Caldwell will explain himself 
now, 
>  > if he is not too busy repeting old stuff about theosophical 
>  > difficulties and misunderstandings in the first part of the 
20th 
>  > century. 
>  > 
>  > Carlos. 
>  > 
>  > ooooooooooooooooooo
>  > 
>  > theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>  > 
>  > Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:08:26 +0200 
>  > 
>  > Re: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online? 
>  > 
>  > Hallo Carlos and all,
>  > 
>  > 
>  > My views are:
>  > 
>  > There is as far as I can tell not much info about the Jesuits 
on the 
>  > Caldwell website www.blavatskyarchives.com
>  > 
>  > As we know, the Jesuits are today the most dangerous group 
which 
>  > the theosophists face.
>  > 
>  > It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info 
on 
>  > internal debates between various theosophists disagreements and 
>  > fractions disagreements and the like, than it does on the real 
>  > enemies, namely the Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies 
are 
>  > already inside the gates of Theosophical teachings in the 
Caldwell 
>  > camp.
>  > 
>  > Let me reformulate and say:
>  > 
>  > I am not just looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists 
on a 
>  > theosophical website, but I am seeking that
>  > Daniel Caldwell's website and Daniel himself take a moral 
stance on 
>  > his website on the Jesuit issue.
>  > 
>  > There is way to little info on the Jesuits on Caldwells website.
>  > Well, that is just little me, and my views and I do not even 
claim 
>  > that I have a Ph. D. or a M.A.D or anything like that.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Did this help?
>  > 
>  > I will add som quotes in the below so to promote a present 
>  > theosophical stance on the matter.
>  > - - -
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > I will one more time repeat what Blavatsky said.
>  > An excerpt:
>  > THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky
>  > "Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far 
above,
>  > the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--
one 
>  > to the spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego 
in 
>  > man. The former is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, 
>  > peaceable, gentle . . . full of mercy and good fruits, without 
>  > partiality and without hypocrisy," while the latter is "the 
wisdom 
>  > that descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, 
DEVILISH."3 
>  > One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness.
>  > . . ."
>  > 
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm 
>  > (Published in Lucifer 1888)
>  > 
>  > 
>  > H. P. Blavatsky says:
>  > "The words "Jesuit" and "Jesuitism" cover the whole ground. The 
>  > Spirit of Truth has departed ages ago - if it has ever been 
near 
>  > it - from the Church of Rome. "
>  > http://www.theosophical.ca/StarAngelWorship.htm
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Background on The Vatican's Secret Archives
>  > 
>  > "In 1881, thanks to the generosity of Leo XIII, scholars were 
>  > allowed free access to the Vatican Secret Archives, thus 
becoming 
>  > one of the most important historical research centres in the 
world."
>  > http://asv.vatican.va/en/arch/1_past.htm
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Excerpts from The Vatican's statement on The essential matrix 
of 
>  > New Age thinking:
>  > "19th century esotericism is seen by some as completely 
>  > secularised. 
>  > Alchemy, magic, astrology and other elements of traditional 
>  > esotericism had been thoroughly integrated with aspects of 
modern 
>  > culture, including the search for causal laws, evolutionism, 
>  > psychology and the study of religions. 
>  > It reached its clearest form in the ideas of Helena Blavatsky, 
a 
>  > Russian medium who founded the Theosophical Society with Henry 
>  > Olcott in New York in 1875."
>  > ...and also...
>  > "However, it is well to be aware that the doctrine of the 
Christ 
>  > spread in New Age circles is inspired by the theosophical 
teachings 
>  > of Helena Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner's anthroposophy and Alice 
>  > Bailey's "Arcane School". 
>  > Their contemporary followers are not only promoting their ideas 
>  > now, but also working with New Agers to develop a completely 
new 
>  > understanding of reality, a doctrine known by some observers 
>  > as "New Age truth"."
>  > ...and also...
>  > "A prominent component of Mrs. Blavatsky's writings was the 
>  > emancipation of women, which involved an attack on the "male" 
God 
>  > of Judaism, of Christianity and of Islam. She urged people to 
>  > return to the mother-goddess of Hinduism and to the practice of 
>  > feminine virtues. This continued under the guidance of Annie 
>  > Besant, who was in the vanguard of the feminist 
>  > movement. Wicca and "women's spirituality" carry on this 
struggle 
>  > against "patriarchal" Christianity today."
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/docume
>  > nts/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Help us all:
>  > I would really like, as many comments on ALL the statements 
this 
>  > link in the above makes about The Theosophical Society, 
theosophy 
>  > and Blavatsky.
>  > These comments could then, by someone, later be formed into an 
>  > answer to the Vatican and the Pope - and also a relevant 
newspaper 
>  > or magazine (perhaps Der Spiegel.)
>  > 
>  > This is theosophical thinking. It is much better than internal 
>  > nitpickings about who has written a lousy book about Theosophy 
or 
>  > theosophy.
>  > 
>  > Just ask. I might be able to help you.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > from
>  > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>  > 
>  > 
>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>  > From: "carlosaveline" 
>  > To: "theos-talk" 
>  > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:13 PM
>  > Subject: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Dear Sufilight,
>  > 
>  > Can you explain this question of yours addressed to Daniel?
>  > 
>  > "So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online on 
your
>  > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???"
>  > 
>  > I missed something here...
>  > 
>  > Thanks a lot, Sufilight,
>  > 
>  > Carlos.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
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