Re: Theos-World Re: Narada-Shiva
Jan 23, 2008 06:38 AM
by j.schenk
Cass, thank you, that is a brilliant read! :-)
Ok, I haven't read all, but before I do d:-), let me put down an idea here:
Were a Bodhisatva to be born in today's world, he needs cunning, since He wouldn't survive the magnetism.
So, suppose he choses a physical rupa to be born in a dugpa family ( some dugpa's can still be converted ), those bodies are usually very strong and lasting.
He then has a complete line of family karma to solve first, before he can get back to His Own Work (which actually is also solving karma of humanity which He bound Himself to). This includes very strong desires from that body ( I mean the lower 4 bodies), ( he doesn't care about them really, but when working with that body he needs to control those desires which are not his own ) which was originally meant to manipulate other humans ( the dugpa part ), but since he took on that body he has to overcome them.
His cunning used in this particular incarnation could have been the traditional Natural way by forgetting all before being born and remembering during life. In this case he would be and act like any other human being on the outside.
It's just a thought, but I can mirror myself in the above and I can tell you the inner part of me is absolutely free of anything but the Good Work.
I wouldn't necessairily say I am a Bodhisatva though, but I am sure I have put my first steps on such a Path, which to me looks endlessly long, wide and narrow at the same time, with and without light and full of traps. To be able to walk such a Path one has to be very cunning, but not too much else people would see you are very different and every move you make then has instant karma upon them ( my own experience ). When not in Balance and when not completely sure about this rupa( the 4 bodies) you become VERY dangerous to others. There is lots in this field to be discussed (enlightened) but I do not want this thread to become too personal about myself.
Therefore I bounce the ball back a bit and in the mean ( lol ) time I am gonna read that piece you sent.
Martin
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From: Cass Silva
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Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Narada-Shiva
You have presented an interesting evaluation of what it is to be a Boddhisatva, my understanding is that you are referencing more the Boddhisatva ideal of, one who is motivated by compassion and seeks enlightenment not only for him/herself but also for everyone.
As I previously mentioned I have not looked in depth but my notes from Baborka, I think, state that the Dyhani Buddhas, the Buddhas of Meditation, are represented as stars linked to the Primeval Seven Flames. The 7 Dyhani Buddhis govern each of the 7 rounds of evolution and from these seven are emanated their chayas, the Dhyani Bodhisattvas, who govern a globe of a planetary system.
Found this article which may interest you.
Cass
THE MYSTERY OF BUDDHA [For details on the source of this material see Blavatsky Collected Writings Volume 14 introduction by Boris DeZirkoff. This subject heading is referenced twice in the Secret Doctrine.]
Now the mystery of Buddha lies in this; Gautama, an incarnation of pure Wisdom, had yet to learn in His human body and to be initiated into the world's secrets like any other mortal, until the day when He emerged from His secret recess in the Himalayas and preached for the first time in the grove of Benares. The same with Jesus: from the age of twelve to thirty years, when He is found preaching the sermon on the Mount, nothing is positively said or known of Him. Gautama had sworn inviolable secrecy as to the Esoteric Doctrines imparted to Him. In His immense pity for the ignorance-and as its consequence the sufferings-of mankind, desirous though He was to keep inviolate His sacred vows, He failed to keep within the prescribed limits. While constructing His Exoteric Philosophy (the "Eye-Doctrine") on the foundations of eternal Truth, He failed to conceal certain dogmas, and trespassing beyond the lawful lines, caused those dogmas to be misunderstood. In His anxiety to make
away with the false Gods, He revealed in the "Seven Paths to Nirvana" some of the mysteries of the Seven Lights of the Arupa (formless) World. A little of the truth is often worse than no truth at all.
Truth and fiction are like oil and water: they will never mix.
His new doctrine, which represented the outward dead body of the Esoteric Teaching without its vivifying Soul, had disastrous effects: it was never correctly understood, and the doctrine itself was rejected by the Southern Buddhists. Immense philanthropy, a boundless love and charity for all creatures, were at the bottom of His unintentional mistake; but Karma little heeds intentions, whether good or bad, if they remain fruitless. If the "Good Law," as preached, resulted in the most sublime code of ethics and the unparalleled philosophy of things external in the visible Kosmos, it biassed and misguided immature minds into believing there was nothing more under the outward mantle of the system, and its deadletter only was accepted. Moreover, the new teaching unsettled many great minds which had previously followed the orthodox Brahmanical lead.
Thus, fifty odd years after his death "the great Teacher" (1) having refused full Dharmakaya and Nirvana, was pleased, for purposes of Karma and philanthropy, to be reborn. For Him death had been no death, but as expressed in the "Elixir of Life," (2) He changed
A sudden plunge into darkness to a transition into a brighter light.
The shock of death was broken, and like many other Adepts, He threw off the mortal coil and left it to be burnt, and its ashes to serve as relics, and began interplanetary life, clothed in His subtle body. He was reborn as Samkara, the greatest Vedantic teacher of India, whose philosophy-based as it is entirely on the fundamental axioms of the eternal Revelation, the Sruti, or the primitive Wisdom-Religion, as Buddha from a different point of view had before based His-finds itself in the middle ground between the too exuberantly veiled metaphysics of the orthodox Brahmans and those of Gautama, which, stripped in their exoteric garb of every soul-vivifying hope, transcendental aspiration and symbol, appear in their cold wisdom like crystalline icicles, the skeletons of the primeval truths of Esoteric Philosophy.
Was Samkarâchârya Gautama the Buddha, then, under a new personal form? It may perhaps only puzzle the reader the more if he be told that there was the "astral" Gautama inside the outward Samkara, whose higher principle, or Atman, was, nevertheless, his own divine prototype-the "Son of Light," indeed-the heavenly, mind-born son of Aditi.
This fact is again based on that mysterious transference of the divine ex-personality merged in the impersonal Individuality-now in its full trinitarian form of the Monad as Atma-Buddhi-Manas-to a new body, whether visible or subjective. In the first case it is a Manushya-Buddha; in the second it is a Nirmânakâya. The Buddha is in Nirvana, it is said, though this once mortal vehicle-the subtle body-of Gautama is still present among the Initiates; nor will it leave the realm of conscious Being so long as suffering mankind needs its divine help-not to the end of this Root-Race, at any rate. From time to time He, the "astral" Gautama associates Himself, in some most mysterious-to us quite incomprehensible-manner, with Avataras and great saints, and works through them. And several such are named.
Thus it is averred that Gautama Buddha was reincarnated in Samkaracharya-that, as is said in Esoteric Buddhism:
Samkaracharya simply was Buddha in all respects in a new body. (3)
While the expression in its mystic sense is true, the way of putting it may be misleading until explained. Samkara was a Buddha, most assuredly, but he never was a reincarnation of the Buddha, though Gautama's "Astral" Ego- or rather his Bodhisattva-may have been associated in some mysterious way with Samkaracharya. Yet, it was perhaps the Ego, Gautama, under a new and better adapted casket-that of a Brahman of Southern India. But the Atman, the Higher Self that overshadowed both, was distinct from the Higher Self of the translated Buddha, which was now in Its own sphere in Kosmos.
Samkara was an Avatara in the full sense of the term. According to Sayanacharya, the great commentator on the Vedas, he is to be held as an Avatara, or direct incarnation of Siva-the Logos, the Seventh Principle in Nature-Himself. In the Secret Doctrine Sri Samkaracharya is regarded as the abode- for the thirty-two years of his mortal life-of a Flame, the highest of the manifested Spiritual Beings, one of the Primordial Seven Rays.
And now what is meant by a "Bodhisattva"? Buddhists of the Mahayana mystic system teach that each BUDDHA manifests Himself (hypostatically or otherwise) simultaneously in three worlds of Being, namely, in the world of Kama (concupiscence or desire-the sensuous universe of our earth) in the shape of a man; in the world of Rupa (form, yet supersensuous) as a Bodhisattva; and in the highest Spiritual World (that of purely incorporeal existences) as a Dhyani-Buddha. The latter prevails eternally in space and time, i.e., from one Maha-Kalpa to the other- the synthetic culmination of the three being Adi-Buddha, (4) the Wisdom-Principle, which is Absolute, and therefore out of space and time. Their interrelation is the following: The Dhyani-Buddha, when the world need a human Buddha, "creates" through the power of Dhyana (meditation, omnipotent devotion), a mind-born son -Bodhisattva- whose mission it is after the physical death of his human, or Manushya-Buddha, to continue his
work on earth till the appearance of the subsequent Buddha. The Esoteric meaning of this teaching is clear. In the case of a simple mortal, the principles in him are only the more or less bright reflection of the seven cosmic, and the seven celestial Principles, the Hierarchy of supersensual Beings. In the case of a Buddha, they are almost the principles in esse themselves. the Bodhisattva replaces in him the Karana Sarira, the Ego principle, and the rest correspondingly; and it is in this way that Esoteric Philosophy explains the meaning of the sentence that "by virtue of Dhyana (or abstract meditation) the Dhyani-Buddha (the Buddha's Spirit or Monad) creates a Bodhisattva," or the astrally clothed Ego within the Manushya-Buddha. Thus while the Buddha merges back into Nirvana whence it proceeded, the Bodhisattva remains behind to continue the Buddha's work upon earth. It is then this Bodhisattva that may have afforded the lower principle in the apparitional body of
Samkaracharya, the Avatara.
Now to say that Buddha, after having reached Nirvana, returned thence to reincarnate in a new body, would be utterly a heresy from the Brahmanical, as well as from the Buddhistic standpoint. Even in the Mahayana exoteric School, in the teaching as to the three "Buddhic" bodies, (5) it is said of the Dharmakaya- the ideal formless Being- that once it is take, the Buddha in it abandons the world of sensuous perceptions for ever, and has not, nor can he have, any more connection with it. To say, as the Esoteric or Mystic School teaches, that though Buddha is in Nirvana he has left behind him the Nirmanakaya (the Bodhisattva) to work after him, is quite orthodox and in accordance with both the Esoteric Mahayana and the Prasanga Madhyamika Schools, the latter an anti-esoteric and most rationalistic system. For in the Kala-Chakra Commentary it is shown that there is: (1) Adi-Buddha, eternal and conditionless; then (2) some Sambhogakaya-Buddhas, or Dhyani-Buddhas, existing from
(aeonic) eternity and never disappearing -the Causal Buddhas so to say; and (3) the Manushya-Bodhisattvas. The relation between them is determined by the definition given. Adi-Buddha is Vajradhara, and the Dhyani-Buddhas are Vajrasattva; yet though these two are different Beings on their respective planes, they are identical in fact, one acting through the other, as a Dhyani through a human Buddha. One is "Endless Intelligence"; the other only "Supreme Intelligence." It is said of Phra Bodhisattva- who was subsequently on earth Buddha Gautama:
Having fulfilled all the condition for the immediate attainment of perfect Buddhaship, the Holy One preferred, from unlimited charity towards living beings, once more to reincarnate for the benefit of man.
The Nirvana of the Buddhists is only the threshold of Parinirvana, according to the Esoteric Teaching: while with the Brahmans, it is the summum bonum, that final state from which there is no more return- not till the next Maha-Kalpa, at all events. And even this last view will be opposed by some too orthodox and dogmatic philosophers who will not accept the Esoteric Doctrine. With them Nirvana is absolute nothingness, in which there is nothing and no one; only an unconditioned All. to understand the full characteristics of that Abstract Principle one must sense it intuitionally and comprehend fully the "one permanent condition in the Universe," which the Hindus define so truly as
...the state of perfect unconsciousness, bare Chidakasa (field of consciousness) in fact,
however paradoxical it may seem to the profane reader. (6)
Samkaracharya was reputed to be an Avatara, an assertion the writer implicitly believes in, but which other people are, of course, at liberty to reject. And as such he took the body of a southern Indian, newly-born Brahman baby; that body, for reasons as important as they are mysterious to us, is said to have been animated by Gautama's astral personal remains. This divine Non-Ego chose as its own Upadhi (physical basis), the ethereal, human Ego of a great Sage in this world of forms, as the fittest vehicle for Spirit to descend into.
Said Samkaracharya:
Parabrahman is Karta [Purusha], as there is no other Adhishtatha (7) and Parabrahman is Prakriti, there being no other substance.(8)
Now what is true of Macrocosmical is also true of the Microcosmical plane. It is therefore nearer the truth to say- when once we accept such a possibility - that the "astral" Gautama, or the Nirmanakaya, was the Upadhi of Samkaracharya's spirit, rather than the latter was a reincarnation of the former.
When a Samkaracharya has to be born, naturally every one of the principles in the manifested mortal man must be the purest and finest that exist on earth. Consequently those principles that were once attached to Gautama, who was the direct great predecessor of Samkara, were naturally attracted to him, the economy of Nature forbidding the re-evolution of similar principles from the crude state. But it must be remembered that the higher ethereal principles are not, like the lower, more material ones, visible sometimes to man (as astral bodies), and they have to be regarded in the light of separate or independent Powers or Gods, rather than as material objects. Hence the right way of representing the truth would be to say that the various principles, the Bodhisattva, of Gautama Buddha, which did not go to Nirvana, reunited to form the middle principles of Samkaracharya, the earthly Entity. (9)
It is absolutely necessary to study the doctrine of the Buddhas esoterically, and understand the subtle differences between the various planes of existence, to be able to comprehend correctly the above. Put more clearly, Gautama, the human Buddha, who had, exoterically, Amitabha for his Bodhisattva and Avalokitesvara for his Dhyani-Buddha- the triad emanating directly from Adi-Buddha- assimilated these by his "Dhyana" (meditation) and thus became a Buddha ("enlightened"). In another manner this is the case with all men, every one of us has his Bodhisattva -the middle principle, if we hold for a moment to the trinitarian division of the septenary group- and his Dhyani-Buddha, or Chohan, the "Father of the Son." Our connecting link with the higher Hierarchy of Celestial Beings lies here in a nutshell, only we are too sinful to assimilate them.
Six centuries after the translation of the human Buddha (Gautama), another Reformer, as noble and as loving, though less favored by opportunity, arose in another part of the world, among another and a less spiritual race. There is a great similarity between the subsequent opinions of the world about the two Saviors, the Eastern and the Western. While millions became converted to the doctrines of the two Masters, the enemies of both -sectarian opponents, the most dangerous of all- tore both to shreds by insinuating maliciously-distorted statements based on Occult truths, and therefore doubly dangerous. While of Buddha, it is said by the Brahmans that He was truly an Avatara of Vishnu, but that He had to come to tempt the Brahmans from their faith, and was therefore the evil aspect of the God; of Jesus, the Bardesanian Gnostics and others asserted that He was Nebu, the false Messiah, the destroyer of the old orthodox religion. "He is the founder of a new sect of Nazars,"
said other sectarians. In Hebrew the word "Naba" means "to speak by inspiration" ([Hebrew characters to show the Hebrew words] Nebo, the God of wisdom). But Nebo is also Mercury, who is Buddha in the Hindu monogram of planets. And this is shown by the fact that the Talmudists hold that Jesus was inspired by the Genius (or regent) of Mercury confounded by Sir William Jones with Gautama Buddha. There are many other strange points of similarity between Gautama and Jesus, which cannot be noticed here. (10)
If both the Initiates, aware of the danger of furnishing the uncultured masses with the power acquired by ultimate knowledge, left the innermost corner of the sanctuary in profound darkness, who, acquainted with human nature, can blame either of them for this? Yet although Gautama, actuated by prudence, left the Esoteric and most dangerous portions of the Secret Knowledge untold, and lived to the ripe old age of eighty-the Esoteric Doctrine says one hundred -years, dying with the certainty of having taught its essential truths, and of having sown the seeds for the conversion of one-third of the world, He yet perhaps revealed more than was strictly good for posterity. But Jesus, who had promised His disciples the knowledge which confers upon man the power of producing "miracles" far greater than he had ever produced Himself, died, leaving but a few faithful disciples-men only half-way to knowledge. They had therefore to struggle with a world to which they could impart only
what they but half-knew themselves, and -no more. In later ages the exoteric followers of both mangled the truths given out, often out of recognition. With regard to the adherents of the Western Master, the proof lies in the very fact that none of them can now produce the promised "miracles." The have to choose: either it is they who have blundered, or it is their Master who must stand arraigned for an empty promise, an uncalled-for boast.(11) Why such a difference in the destiny of the two? For the Occultist this enigma of the unequal favor of Karma or Providence is unriddled by the Secret Doctrine.
It is "not unlawful" to speak of such things publicly, as St. Paul tells us. One more explanation only may be given in reference to this subject. It was said a few pages back that an Adept who thus sacrifices himself to live, giving up full Nirvana, though he can never lose the knowledge acquired by him in previous existences, yet can never rise higher in such borrowed bodies. Why? Because he becomes simply the vehicle of a "Son of Light" from a still higher sphere. Who being Arupa, has no personal astral body of His own fit for this world. Such "Sons of Light," or Dhyani-Buddhas, are the Dharmakayas of preceding Manvantaras, who have closed their cycles of incarnations in the ordinary sense and who, being thus Karmaless, have long ago dropped their individual Rupas and have become identified with the first Principle. Hence the necessity of a sacrificial Nirmanakaya, ready to suffer for the misdeeds or mistakes of the new body in its earth-pilgrimage, without any future
reward on the plane of progression and rebirth, since there are no rebirths for him in the ordinary sense. The Higher Self, or Divine Monad, is not in such a case attached to the lower Ego; its connection is only temporary, and in most cases it acts through decrees of Karma. This is a real, genuine sacrifice, the explanation of which pertains to the highest Initiation of Jnana (Occult Knowledge). It is closely linked, by a direct evolution of Spirit and involution of Matter, with the primeval and great Sacrifice at the foundation of the manifested Worlds, the gradual smothering and death of the spiritual in the material. The seed "is not quickened, except it die."(12) Hence in the Purusha Sukta of the Rig-Veda,(13) the mother fount and source of all subsequent religions, it is stated allegorically that "the thousand-headed Purusha" was slaughtered at the foundation of the World, that from his remains the Universe might arise. This is nothing more nor less than the
foundation-the seed, truly- of the later many formed symbol in various religions, including Christianity, of the sacrificial lamb. For it is a play upon the words, "Aja" (Purusha), "the unborn," or eternal Spirit, means also "lamb," in Sanskrit. Spirit disappears-dies, metaphorically- the more it gets involved in matter, and hence the sacrifice of the "unborn," or the "lamb."
Why the BUDDHA chose to make this sacrifice will be plain only to those who, to the minute knowledge of His earthly life, add that of a thorough comprehension of the laws of Karma. Such occurrences, however belong to the most exceptional cases.
As tradition goes, the Brahmans had committed a heavy sin by persecuting Gautama BUDDHA and his teachings instead of blending and reconciling them with the tenets of pure Vaidic Brahmanism, as was done later by Samkaracharya. Gautama had never gone against the Vedas, only against the exoteric growth of preconceived interpretations. The Sruti -divine oral revelation, the outcome of which was the Veda -is eternal. It reached the ear of Gautama Siddhartha as it had those of the Rishis who had written it down. He accepted the revelation, while rejecting the later overgrowth of Brahmanical thought and fancy and built His doctrines in one and the same basis of imperishable truth. As in the case of His Western successor, Gautama, the "Merciful," the "Pure," and the "Just," was the first found in the Eastern Hierarchy of historical Adepts, if not in the world-annals of divine mortals, who was moved by that generous feeling which locks the whole of mankind within one embrace, with
ho petty differences of race, birth or caste. It was He who first enunciated that grand and noble principle, and He again who first put it into practice. For the sake of the poor and the reviled, the outcast and the hapless, invited by Him to the king's festival table. He had excluded those who had hitherto sat alone in haughty seclusion and selfishness, believing that they would be defiled by the very shadow of the disinherited ones of the land- and these non-spiritual Brahmans turned against Him for that preference. Since then such as these have never forgiven the prince-beggar, the son of a king, who, forgetting His rank and station, had flung widely open the doors of the forbidden sanctuary to the pariah and the man of low estate, thus giving precedence to personal merit over hereditary rank or fortune. The sin was theirs -the cause nevertheless Himself: hence the "Merciful and the Blessed One" could not go out entirely from this world of illusion and created causes
without atoning for the sin of all- therefore these Brahmans alone. If "man afflicted by man" found safe refuge in His self-sacrificing, all-embracing and forgiving love. It is stated that He desired to atone for the sin of His enemies. Then only was he willing to become a full Dharmakaya, a Jivanmukta "without remains."
The close of Samkaracharya's life brings us face to face with a fresh mystery. Samkaracharya retires to a cave in the Himalayas, permitting none of his disciples to follow him, and disappears therein forever from the sight of the profane. Is he dead? Tradition and popular belief answer in the negative, and some of the local Gurus, if they do not emphatically corroborate, do not deny the rumor. The truth with its mysterious details as given in the Secret Doctrine is known but to them; it can be given out fully only to the direct followers of the great Dravidian Guru, and it is for them alone to reveal of it as mush as they think fit. Still it is maintained that this Adept of Adepts lives to this day in his spiritual entity as a mysterious unseen, yet overpowering presence among the Brotherhood of Sambhala, beyond, far beyond, the snowy-capped Himalayas. (14)
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Footnotes:
(1) When we say the "great Teacher," we do not mean His Buddhic Ego, but that principle in Him which was the vehicle of His personal or terrestrial Ego.
(2) Five Years of Theosophy, p.4.
(3) Op. cit., p. 175, Fifth Edition, 1885.
(4) It would be useless to raise objections from exoteric works to statements in this, which aims to expound, however superficially, the Esoteric Teachings alone. It is because they are misled by the exoteric doctrine that Bishop Bigandet and others aver that the notion of a supreme eternal Adi-Buddha is to be found only in writings of comparatively recent date. What is given here is taken from the secret portions of Dus-Kyi Khorlo (Kala-Chakra, in Sanskrit, or the "Wheel of Time," or duration).
(5) The three bodies are (1) the Nirmanakaya (Tul-pa'i-Ku in Tibetan), in which the Bodhisattva after entering by the six Paramitas [generosity, virtue, patience, vigor, meditation & wisdom] the Path to Nirvana, appears to men in order to teach them; (2) Sambhogakaya (Dzog-pa'i-Ku), the body of bliss impervious to all physical sensations, received by one who has fulfilled the three conditions of moral perfection; and (3) Dharmakaya (in Tibetan, Cho-Ku), the Nirvanic body. [Cf. Voice of the Silence, pp. 95-97; and Hui Neng's Platform Sutra, ch. 6.]
(6) Five Years of Theosophy, 1885 ed., "Personal and Impersonal God," p. 202, by T. Subba Row.
(7) Adhishtatha, the active or working agent in Prakriti (or matter).
(8) Vedanta-Sutras, AD.I, Pada, iv, Sloka 23. Commentary. The passage is given as follows in Thibaut's translation (Sacred Books of the East, xxxiv), p. 286: "The Self is thus the operative cause, because there is no other ruling principle, and the material cause because there is no other substance from which the world could originate."
(9) In Five Years of Theosophy (article: "Sakya Muni's Place in History," p. 372, note) it is stated that one day when our Lord sat in the Sattapanni Cave (Saptaparna) he compared man to a Saptaparna (seven leaved) plant. "Mendicants," he said, "there are seven Buddhas in every Buddha, and there are six Bhikshus and but one Buddha in each mendicant. What are the seven? The seven branches of complete knowledge. What are the six? The six organs of sense. What are the five? The five elements of illusive being. and the ONE which is also ten? He is a true Buddha who developes in him the ten forms of holiness and subjects them all to the one." Which means that every principle in the Buddha was the highest that could be evolved on this earth; whereas in the case of other men who attain to Nirvana this is not necessarily the case. Even as a mere human (Manushya) Buddha, Gautama was a pattern for all men. But his Arhats were not necessarily so. [Cf. Blavatsky Collected Writings,
Vol. V, p. 247.]
(10) See Isis Unveiled, Vol. II, p. 132.
(11) "Before one becomes a Buddha he must be a Bodhisattva; before evolving into a Bodhisattva he must be a Dhyani-Buddha...A Bodhisattva is the way and Path to his Father, and thence to the One Supreme Essence" (Descent of Buddhas, p. 17, from Aryasanga). "I am the way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (St. John, xiv.6). The "way" is not the goal. Nowhere throughout the New Testament is Jesus found calling himself God, or anything higher than "a son of God," the son of a "Father" common to all, synthetically. Paul never said (1 Tim. iii, 16), "God was manifest in the flesh," but "He who was manifested in the flesh" (Revised Edition). While the common herd among the Buddhists -the Burmese especially - regard Jesus as an incarnation of Devadatta, a relative who opposed the teachings of Buddha, the students of Esoteric Philosophy see in the Nazarene Sage a Bodhisattva with the spirit of Buddha Himself in Him.
(12) 1 Corinth. xiv, 36.
(13) Op. cit., Mandala X, hymn 90, 1-5.
(14) [For a traditional life story see Sankara-Dig-Vijaya by Madhava-Vidyaranya, tr. by Swami Tapasyananda, Madras, Sri Ramakrishna Math, 1978. -Compiler.]
"j.schenk" <j.schenk@quicknet.nl> wrote:
YOw Cass:
Thanks for that reply, seems you read my questions straight in my 'views'. Well I just try to work with all that is offered, getting things straight helps everybody :-)
It's true we cannot be taught by others how to live or behave, therefore we ourselves must be an example.
Most of the time, I speak from experience, I stumble upon things in life which I recognise to have solved long ago in another lifetime, but forgot in this lifetime. Maybe I should start a new thread on that in how to deal with Nature's erasing memorytrick between 2 births.
I bow deeply in respect to your handling authority, hihi, that makes a lot of people equals! Originality is what makes a real human.
As KH stated that we actually have to face Mara on ourselves without the help of others underlines freedom of authority and although I feel I am monitored all my life (which could be a hinder as KH states in that same letter), I feel not ashamed nor embarassed the way I pick up the pieces of wisdom which I find everywhere and within everyone. Thats how I made my teachers, to be in all other people and try to be 1 myself when asked for.
The role of a Bodhisatva needs no study, but a living (which is a study as well). It leads to being a Buddha of compassion in the very end. When you are 'not carefull enough', you become a Buddha and the only way to serve humanity then is as a (Nirmana)kaya. This usually happened sofar anyway; I learned a Bodhisatva makes a 'mistake' on purpose every lifetime he is here to mislead Nature (positively) and then to be able to be present with other humans in the flesh; he choses that 'mistake' to make very carefull, so Karma will not be to harsh on other humans except that they will grow as well. Not ready humans can be victims of any kind of evil, so a Bodhisatva lives like the wary white dove of Truth :-) Taking every step very carefull.
So like the Dugpa hides from and misleads Nature, so the Bodhisatva serves Nature by 'hiding from and misleading' humanity.
My 2 cnts.:-)
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Cass Silva
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Narada-Shiva
Hi Martin,
In response.....
"j.schenk" <j.schenk@quicknet.nl> wrote:
Well Cass, whatever. The end of the story is, all this information is useless for learning to live a pure and truthfull life. That has always been a thought of objection of me to how theosophy was brought upon us. If truth has to be revealed to humanity, first teach them how to behave and how to live, then come with all the knowledge, but typing this I do actually embrace Theosophy as how it came again and so do many of us, but the fact is there are only a few...and GDP is not one of my favorites although he has had great impact on many Theosophists as Annie Besant had.
Cass: Unfortunately we cannot teach anyone how to behave nor how to live. It is the knowledge that gives us the momentum to change because it provides us with a meaningful picture of what life is all about and what we are in our true natures. We are all drawn to different teachers, as mentioned in the past, we take what resonates with us as individuals.
Maybe its just that I can't stand authority the moment some1 claims it verbally or subconsciously. But again when the Truth is served , it doesn't matter who has taken it upon us..its our job to live according to it.
Cass: I too have an issue with authority especially when it is being pushed down my throat without a reasonable explanation. I believe this to be a positive characteristic as it means that we do not have to rely on a guru etc for our own development.
We can all see where all the knowledge given by HPB and her Masters lead to, we have had a century full of war and wrongthinking/doing and it hasn't finished yet. Have you noticed by the way, all the written fears of KH in the ML have come out?
Cass: I believe that finally the world is slowly starting to change its ideas about War, the war in Irak, has changed many peoples ideas on disbanding the idea that there is such a thing as a noble war.
For example, the split up of Theosophic Societies, like the Catholic Church.
Cass: I believe this to be a good thing as it promotes self reliance.
Another interesting thing is The way of the Bodhisatva; if you are to follow the way of the Bodhisatva, you don't care about personal Karma since you have bound yourself to humanity and would do everything Nature allows you to teach others how to live and behave in Natures Presence, then teach them about the Occult and that till they become Bodhisatva's themselves.
Cass: It is probably a good idea not to place too much emphasis on personal karma, but our actions contribute to humanity's karma, whether we like it or not. As interconnected beings this must occur and also there is the law of essential identity which plugs into Karma.
Of course some will just fall away, whether this is inevitable or not. Nature does everything, a Bodhisatva CAN do everything and we can do some...
But I am sure you know all this therefore I can only share these thoughts to unravel Truth as you would do, since we were only given half the Truth by HPB and her Masters. The Maha Chohan himself spoke about the wary white dove of Truth and the doom of humanity...I would never have said that. At such a level of consciousness putting a stamp on humanity labelled 'DOOM' can only mean it will happen. Were he a real Bodhisatva he would have been busy in the world undercover and teaching as many humans as possible, hmm maybe he is, hehe, but still I would never have 'doomed' humanity...but I am just a poor man knowing nothing and if I did know, I'd know I know nothing. Ignorance is our mutual enemy, but a bliss for not yet Bodhisatva's.
Cass: I have not studied the role of the Boddhisatvas in depth, so cannot comment.
Strange by the way, I don't think the Buddha preached doom and the Maha Chohan wouldn't either, but its these things which made those beings human...
Cass: The Buddha taught attachment leads to suffering.
Cheers
Cass
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Cass Silva
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Narada-Shiva
I forgot to add that the DC may be classed into three major classes of kingdoms, and that each class may be subdivided into seven.
Cass
mvandertak <j.schenk@quicknet.nl> wrote:
Well the only part I actually support is the quote of HPB, the
speculation of GDP is just well..pure speculation :-)
'Quote': He is a Dhyan-Chohan of the highest or the next to the
highest class. I am not now referring merely to the three great
classes of Dhyan-Chohans higher than the humans. I am referring to
classes in a different category. Every possibility of Dhyan-Chohanic
type considered, Narada belongs to the next to the highest type. 'end
Quote'
I mean if you classify (I hate that word, it is sooo Dutch) him to be
of the highest or the next highest and then at the end saying he is
next to the highest, then I can surely say he is just speculating (
which is sooo American :-))
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> GdPurucker has a chapter on Narada in Fountain-Source of Occultism.
> Cass
>
> "j.schenk" <j.schenk@...> wrote:
> Hi Konstatin:
>
> thanks for your reply :-)
>
> Well about Grubb, who cares, he is just 1 of myriads of
personalities, like you and me; on itself only a possible pest to
others. We all mirror just the one Spirit with one and other, so if
some persona (mask) hinders you, it is just something inside which
needs attention to become stronger...
>
> No society for me at the moment, I prefer email at the moment,
can't stand the hypocrits I see everywhere in the so called Spiritual
movement, although I know, many are there who are sincere and true.
> In anyway I am still a member of the TS Pasadena, whatever way one
turns it, I had to send my membershipcard back since I was at war in
myself and no1 needed to be confronted with my own private war.
Actually I have prepared for the last battle in me, therefore I am
looking for a lot of information concerning Dieties and Demons; can't
say yet whatfor exactly, but I keep you posted.
> Did you know btw HPB is far away family of mine? She carried the
same name Hahn, which my great grandfather had from
Meckelenburg/VorPommeren. I was there last year to see th Castle, of
which only a few buildings are left.
>
> Narada-Shiwa is one of those Dieties, as temporary as humans, but
with a longer Lifespan, which is visiting this world at the moment.
> I understand he can't get more down on earth than in thoughts, so
he uses only Thought as a 'physical' existence, al though I am not
sure, thats why I asked. In the books of Bailey It is called The
Avatar of Synthesis, Which has a physical representant on Earth at
the moment being overshadowed by It.
>
> Thanks for the links to the online books, I must have about 1
Terrabyte now on Esoteric books excluding the real Hardcovers d:-)
>
> All the best and thanks again for your reply, Martin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Konstantin Zaitzev
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:09 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Narada-Shiva
>
> Dear Martin,
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "mvandertak" <j.schenk@> wrote:
>
> > contacted Mr. Grubb from The Theosophical Society in Pasadena
> > confronting him
>
> Not surprising :) In Russian "grub" means "harsh" or "rough".
>
> > So Theosophy is ok for me, actually I am greatfull for the
> > experiences I had with this piece of the Theosophic World, but
thank
> > you, not, for the people in Pasadena which I have crossed, for
their
>
> Have you tried with TS Adyar? I think it's more widespread in
> Netherlands than Pasadena. Saying frankly, I have had troubles with
> them and even had problems with joining for several years, yet of
all
> worldwide theosophical organizations which I've contacted it seems
to
> me the most healthy. We may admit that they are too bureaucratic
and
> conservative, but they are not fanatical.
>
> > I found Narada was the 12th Buddha and Shiva? hmm Narada Shiva is
> > another word for Vajrapani or Maha Kala?
>
> I can't answer this question but there are some interesting
glimpses
> on Narada in "Spiritual Astrology" by E. Krishnamacharya, chapter
on
> Mercury. (He is mentioned in other chapters also).
>
> It can be downloaded from http://ftp1.dns-systems.net/~hpb/books
> though in graphical scanned format only.
>
> Fraternally yours, Konstantin (Moscow, Russia)
>
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