Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00155)

It has value no for people who are to be tested by
their dugpa's, only after they went through the
testing they have value. So before you even get a
glimpse of what the White Brotherhood is about, you
are already being tested. They only support their own
kind, which sounds not very brotherhoodlylike btw...


--- Morten Nymann Olesen
<global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

> 
> So the Great White Lodge has no value?
> 
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MKR 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:30 PM
>   Subject: Re: Fw: Theos-World Distortions and
> diversions?
> 
> 
>   It is a free world and each can come to theri own
> conclusion and stay with
>   it.
> 
>   I am not a scholar; just an ordinary student. No
> organization can lead
>   anyone for self development. All they can do is do
> the mechanical stuff. The
>   real work, I think, the individual has to do it
> himself/herself.
> 
>   mkr
> 
>   On 2/16/08, Morten Nymann Olesen
> <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
>   >
>   > I feel absolutely free to disagree with you.
> "Organisations" as a word
>   > covers a lot of content in its definition.
> Saying that the great white lodge
>   > cannot help and benefit humanity, and that only
> J. Krishnamurti can and will
>   > is just about the most wrong conclusion one can
> get into ones head!
>   >
>   > Do you really think, that Master Morya, H. P.
> Blavatsky, Damodar
>   > Mavalankar are no more?
>   > Really. How far are you prepared to go to put
> the Old Lady and Master
>   > Morya down the toilet?
>   >
>   > But, of course I must be misunderstanding you,
> because you sound like an
>   > intelligent scholar.
>   >
>   > M. Sufilight
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: MKR
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
>   > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:33 PM
>   > Subject: Re: Fw: Theos-World Distortions and
> diversions?
>   >
>   > Thanks.
>   > I have said this many times.
>   > One of the lessons that one learns from K's
> disbandment of organizations
>   > is
>   > the need to set ourselves free to inquire as
> organizations cannot take us
>   > to
>   > enlightenment.
>   >
>   > mkr
>   >
>   > On 2/16/08, Shel Steijl <shelley@sai.co.za
> <shelley%40sai.co.za>> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Well said, MKR.
>   > > Shel
>   > >
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: MKR
>   > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>
<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
>   > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:15 PM
>   > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Distortions and
> diversions?
>   > >
>   > > Any open minded person need to keep certain
> facts in mind.
>   > >
>   > > Organizations are great when it comes to
> mechanical tasks such as
>   > > publishing
>   > > and re-publishing and arranging for meetings
> and gatherings etc. Once it
>   > > goes beyond that, they cannot lead one to
> self-discovery (which you have
>   > > to
>   > > do it yourself unfettered
>   > > by any preconceived ideas or notions). Once
> there is an organization,
>   > > there is the bureaucracy and the need for
> group conformity. Once you
>   > > are in the group for a long time, it is very
> difficult to think
>   > > outside the box. The other complicating fact
> is that many
>   > > organizations own a lot of very valuable real
> estate
>   > > with the ownership comes other headaches and
> problems that may interfere
>   > > with the distribution of teachings.
> Spirituality and property and money
>   > do
>   > > not mix well.
>   > >
>   > > It should be recalled that during the early
> days of TS, there was very
>   > > little money. Even the Adyar estate was
> purchased by borrowing money
>   > with
>   > > the support of some active theosophists. The
> lack of money helped the
>   > > founders to concentrate on spreading theosophy
> than having to worry
>   > about
>   > > managing money.
>   > >
>   > > Looking at some of the past litigation that
> organizations have got
>   > > themselves into, you will find that property
> and money are at their root
>   > > and
>   > > in all these litigations, it was the attorneys
> who came out winners.
>   > >
>   > > Organizations have their place and let us not
> over emphasize their role
>   > in
>   > > personal development and progress and
> spirituality.
>   > >
>   > > mkr
>   > >
>   > > On 2/16/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au
>
<nhcareyta%40yahoo.com.au><nhcareyta%40yahoo.com.au>>
>   > > wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > Dear mkr
>   > > >
>   > > > Thank you for your comment.
>   > > >
>   > > > You write, "If Pablo takes time to read all
> the
>   > > > past archives of various theos lists, he may
>   > > > come out with a different opinion."
>   > > >
>   > > > I really hope that he might indeed read the
> past
>   > > > archives and other available literature with
> a
>   > > > truly open mind. However I suspect this
> might
>   > > > be difficult for him.
>   > > >
>   > > > As an ex-Adyar Society apologist I can
> attest
>   > > > to the difficulties faced by one thoroughly
>   > > > absorbed in the organisation and its
> powerful
>   > > > mindset.
>   > > >
>   > > > I was exposed to some of the issues of
> Bishop
>   > > > Leadbeater and Dr Besant whilst President of
>   > > > the local Lodge but dismissed it as
> muckraking.
>   > > > It was only whilst living at the Adyar
> Society
>   > > > headquarters in India for a few months that
> I
>   > > > was able to conduct more thorough research.
> The
>   > > > enormity of their betrayal of "original"
>   > > > Theosophy and the extraordinary and
> all-important
>   > > > deleterious far-reaching effects of their
> mindset
>   > > > upon unsuspecting and uninformed members
> became
>   > > > increasingly apparent, to the extent I could
> no
>   > > > longer support the organisation. This
> despite
>   > > > recognising some value in its continuance
> and
>   > > > the many selfless and hard working people
> among
>   > > > its membership.
>   > > >
>   > > > This mindset and the pervasive manner in
> which
> 
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