Theos-Talk Archives (March 2008 Message tt00021)

Yes Morten, it helps a lot, realy too much to read in one time, but 
it gives detailed vision.
All what we already know, we can see through the work of Prasad more 
clear
Thank you













--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
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> To all readers
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> My views are:
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> Maybe the following could be helpful to contemplate when talking 
about which ray a Master is on....
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> 1.  In the below quote we find, that it is not of importance which 
master one is guided by. Later one will know, which one and learn to 
distinguish the various Masters from each other. So I will conclude, 
that writing about which ray a Master is on is of small value.
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> E.S.T. INSTRUCTIONS
> "The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H. P. 
Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section. He is one of those 
Adepts referred to in theosophical literature, and concerned in the 
formation of the Theosophical Society. It is through H. P. Blavatsky 
that each member
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> of this Section will be brought more closely than hitherto under 
His influence and care if found worthy of it. No student, however, 
need inquire which of the Masters it is. For it does not matter in 
reality; nor is there any necessity for creating one more chance for 
indiscretion. Suffice to say, such is the law in the East. 
> Each person will receive in the way of enlightenment and 
assistance, just as much as he or she deserves and no more; and it is 
to be distinctly understood that in this Body and these relations no 
such thing is known as favourâ?"â?"all depends upon the personâ??s 
meritsâ?"â?"and no member has the power or knowledge to decide what 
either he or another is entitled to. This must be left to those who 
knowâ?"â?"alone. The apparent favour shown to some, and their 
consequent apparent advancement, will be due to the work they do, to 
the best of their power, in the cause of Universal Brotherhood and 
the elevation of the Race.
> No man or woman is asked or supposed to do any more than his or her 
best; but each is expected to work to the extent of their ability and 
powers.
> The value of the work of this Section to the individual member will 
depend entirely upon:
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> 1st. The personâ??s power to assimilate the teachings and make them 
a part of his being; and
> 2nd. Upon the unselfishness of the motives with which he seeks for 
this knowledge; that is to say, upon whether he has entered this 
Section determined to work for humanity, or with only the desire to 
benefit or gain something for himself alone.
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> Let all members, therefore, take warning in time, and seriously 
examine into their motives, for to all those who join this Section 
certain consequences will ensue." (H. P. Blavatsky Collected Writings 
online, vol. 12. - p. 488-489)
> http://www.tonh.net/theosofie/hpb_cw_online/articles/v12/
y1890_052.htm
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> So all this nonsense in various groups about beginners calling upon 
a certain Master is not quite what it all is about. The Master needed 
will be helping the beginner Seeker or chela, and not always the one 
which the beginner Seeker or chela wants.
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> 2. The Secret Doctrine 
> "As the invisible Logos, with its seven hierarchies (represented or 
personified each by its chief angel or rector), form one POWER, the 
inner and the invisible; so, in the world of Forms, the Sun and the 
seven chief Planets constitute the visible and active potency; the 
latter "Hierarchy" being, so to speak, the visible and objective 
Logos of the invisible and (except in the lowest grades) ever-
subjective angels." (The Secret Doctrine vol. 2, p.23)
> http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume2.htm
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> "It is said by Krishna, the Logos incarnate, in the Bhagavat-gitâ, 
"The seven great Rishis, the four preceding Manus, partaking of my 
nature, were born from my mind: from them sprang (emanated or was 
born) the human race and the world," (Chap. X. Verse 6.)
>     Here, by the seven great Rishis, the seven great rupa 
hierarchies or classes of Dhyan Chohans, are meant. Let us bear in 
mind that the Saptarshi (the seven Rishis) are the regents of the 
seven stars of the Great Bear, therefore, of the same nature as the 
angels of the planets, or the seven great Planetary Spirits. They 
were all reborn, all men on earth in various Kalpas and races. 
Moreover, "the four preceding Manus" are the four classes of the 
originally arupa gods â?" the Kumâras, the Rudras, the Asuras, etc.: 
who are also said to have incarnated."
> (The Secret Doctrine vol. 2, p.318)
> http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume2.htm
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> 3.
> Blavatsky says, that there are seven Paths:
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> "But they had already separated before the ray of divine reason had 
enlightened the dark region of their hitherto slumbering minds, and 
had sinned. That is to say, they had committed evil unconsciously, by 
producing an effect which was unnatural. Yet, like the other six 
primitive brother or fellow races, even so this seventh, henceforth 
degenerated race, which will have to bide its time for its final 
development on account of the sin committed, â?" even this race will 
find itself on the last day on one of the seven paths. For "the wise 
* guard the home of nature's order, they assume excellent forms in 
secret."â?  But we must see whether the "animals" tampered with, were 
of the same kind as those known to zoology.
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â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"
> * This verse in the Veda (X. 5-6), "The seven wise ones (rays of 
wisdom, Dhyanis) fashion seven paths (or lines as also Races in 
another sense). To one of these may the distressed mortal come" â?" 
which is interpreted solely from the astronomical and cosmic aspect 
â?" is one of the most pregnant in occult meaning. The "paths" may 
mean lines (maryadah), but they are primarily beams of light falling 
on the paths leading to wisdom. (See Rig Veda IV. 5-13.) It means 
"ways" or paths. They are, in short, the seven Rays which fall free 
from the macrocosmic centre, the seven principles in the 
metaphysical, the seven Races in the physical sense. All depends upon 
the key used.
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> â?  "Rig Veda," X. 10, 5, 2. " (The Secret Doctrine, vol. 2, p. 191)
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> 4. The seven chakras in the Head:
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> "Our seven Chakras are all situated in the head, and it is these 
Master Chakras which govern and rule the seven (for there are seven) 
principal plexuses in the body, and the forty-two minor ones to which 
Physiology refuses that name. The fact that no microscope can detect 
such centres on the objective plane goes for nothing; no microscope 
has ever yet detected, nor ever will, the difference between the 
â??motorâ?&#65533; and â??sensoryâ?&#65533; nerve-tubes, the conductors of all our 
bodily and psychic sensations; and yet physiological logic alone 
would show that such difference
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> â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"
> * In the Greek Eastern Church no child is allowed to go to 
confession before the age of seven, after which he is considered to 
have reached the age of reason.
> â?  G. B. Morgagni, De sedibus, et causis morborum, etc., Vol XII. 
> â?¡ J. E. Greding, Adversaria medica practica. 
> § J. G. Günz, Prolusio capillos glandulae pinealis in quinque 
mente alienatis proponit, Lipsiae, 1753.
> â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"â?"
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> exists. And if the term plexus, in this application, does not 
represent to the Western mind the idea conveyed by the term of the 
anatomist, then call them Chakras or Padmas, or the Wheels, the Lotus 
Hearts and Petals. Remember that Physiology, imperfect as it is, 
shows septenary groups all over the exterior and interior of the 
body; the seven head orifices, the seven â??organsâ?&#65533; at the base of 
the brain, the seven plexuses (the pharyngeal, laryngeal, cavernous, 
cardiac, epigastric, prostatic, and the sacral plexus), etc., etc.
> When the time comes, the members of the E.S.T. will be given the 
minute details about the Master Chakras and taught to use them; till 
then, less difficult subjects have to be learned. If asked whether 
the seven plexuses, or Tattvic centres of action, are the centres 
where the seven rays of the Logos vibrate, I answer in the 
affirmative, simply remarking that the rays of the Logos vibrate in 
every atom, for the matter of that."
> http://www.tonh.net/theosofie/hpb_cw_online/articles/v12/
y1890_055.htm
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> A comment:
> In H. P. Blavatsky's Esoteric Section papers in the latest link we 
find a table, which uses colours and make them correspond to various 
parts of the body and the Nafs. Interestingly Blavatsky at that page 
also refer to a series of articles by Rama Prasad published in the 
Theosophist magazine, which is teaching a part of the Gupta-Vidya. 
These vital articles is not available on any theosophical website 
from any of the major Theosophical groups. I can only wonder why? 
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> Rama Prasad later published a work about the same issues, but not a 
copy of the articles. (Natures Finer forces by Rama Prasad, -  http://
www.rexresearch.com/prana/essays.htm and The later edition - http://
www.hermetics.org/prasad.html )
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> http://www.tonh.net/theosofie/hpb_cw_online/articles/v12/
y1890_055.htm
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> M. Sufilight
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: christinaleestemaker 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:41 PM
>   Subject: Theos-World Re: Definition of the 7 Rays
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>   It is not from Alice Bailey, she mentioned different names and 
you 
>   are right, HPB did not mentioned rays and names from Masters, but 
she 
>   gives good sight on te working aspects.Most of all to be read in 
SDIII
>   Geoffrey Hudson wrote about the names in his Light of the 
Sanctuary.
>   By the way, the question was in Theosophical philosophy and not 
only 
>   from the HPB writings.Theosophy does not end or start with only 
HPB, 
>   although she gives great masterwork in her way.
>   Christina
> 
>   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Martin <Mvandertak@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Erhmm, you mean its from Alice Bailey's Theosophy,
>   > which is quite different than Blavatsky's...I never
>   > read a written thing by HPB telling on what ray's some
>   > adepts are..I also don't think its helpfull for anyone
>   > to know...One thing IS important though: the soul
>   > works on ALL rays, since the (Atmic) soul knows
>   > all...and after all its the soul which is important ,
>   > not the personalities embodying her. Personalities are
>   > just temporary appearances..so here my 2 dollars
>   > worth. 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > --- christinaleestemaker
>   > <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
>   > 
>   > > Hi Fred, maybe I can help you with the following .
>   > > Maha Choha, till this moment I cannot find his rule
>   > > for one ray 
>   > > especially.I think he is working on all rays.
>   > > 
>   > > Here follows :
>   > > 
>   > > Master the prince Rakoczy is a great Lord of Fohat
>   > > or cosmic electric 
>   > > fire and head of the seventh ray.The Master is also
>   > > of course, a very 
>   > > wonderful superhuman Being highly developed in
>   > > every aspect of human 
>   > > nature, a glorious, perfected man, a very high
>   > > Adept.
>   > > Other aspects are therefore fully and perfectly
>   > > developed and 
>   > > expressed in him.He deals with creative forces of
>   > > the Solar system 
>   > > and planet.He is also a great Lord of Wisdom and
>   > > Love and an 
>   > > embodiment of the Cosmic Will.He is also a Master,
>   > > an Adept who takes 
>   > > pupils.Ray seven and the first are associated with
>   > > each other.Some 
>   > > information gives master St Germain for this ray.
>   > > 
>   > > Master of the first ray is Master Morya.Also the
>   > > rays are 
>   > > corresponding into colors, crystals,sounds, angels
>   > > and chakras, 
>   > > planets and days of the week and social functions.
>   > > Not that the first ray is corresponding to the first
>   > > chakra, it is 
>   > > not .It is to the vicuddha or fifth troath chakra
>   > > with planets mars 
>   > > and jupiter and the day tuesday and do=C crystal
>   > > and angel Michael.
>   > > 
>   > > Master Koot Hoomi is one of the second ray, a ray of
>   > > Wisdom and Love 
>   > > corresponding to sahasrara or seventh, crown chakra
>   > > and sunday and of 
>   > > course star Sun.and sound re=D sapphire and angel
>   > > Gabriël.
>   > > 
>   > > Master of the third Ray is Paul the Venetian
>   > > anahata= fourth,heartchakra and associated with
>   > > wednesday sound 
>   > > mi=E emerald and angel Rafaël.
>   > > Specialized in to be aware and viveka or ability of
>   > > distinction.
>   > > This three aspects of 1.2 and 3 ray are directly
>   > > from the 
>   > > willpower,love-wisdom and ability of distinction.
>   > > 
>   > > Ray 4,5 and 6 are resp from Harmony,Knowledge and
>   > > Devotion
>   > > 
>   > > Masters are Serapis Bey,Hilarion and Lord Maitreya
>   > > Jezus, 
>   > > 
>   > > 4 Ray=sound fa=F muladhara= first rootchakra ,
>   > > saturday, planet 
>   > > earth.
>   > > 
>   > > 5 Ray sound sol=G anja,sixth foreheadchakra ,
>   > > monday ,planet 
>   > > saturnus.
>   > > 
>   > > 6 Ray sound la=A manipura, solar plex 
>   > > thirdchakra, thursday, 
>   > > planet Venus and Mercurius.
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 7 Ray sound si=B(es) second chakra, swadhistana or 
>   > > spleenchakra.planet moon and friday.
>   > > 
>   > > Hope I give you some info from my literature from
>   > > several books and 
>   > > lectures in Theosophy. 
>   > > 
>   > > Christina
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "fsgonzales1"
>   > > <fredericosg@> 
>   > > wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > I would like to ask other people who are
>   > > interested in Theosophy 
>   > > to
>   > > > share their views on what are the characteristics
>   > > of each of the 
>   > > Seven
>   > > > Rays.
>   > > > And also what Ray is the Mahachohan´s ? He is
>   > > said to be in the 
>   > > 7th,
>   > > > 4th or 3rd Ray. Is the Mahachohan the Venetian
>   > > Master or another 
>   > > one?
>   > > > Frederico
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