Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00550)

My views are:

As far as I can calculate, I understand that the Lecture "Von Jesus zu Christus" given in 1911 by Rudolf Steiner, was published before the year 1914. And Rudolf Steiner lived physically until 1925.

That is enough. C. W. Leadbeater as far as I know never spoke out against the Jesuits and the Pope. He in fact himself got a photo taken wearing a papal hat or similar while being occupied with his Liberal Catholic Church.

That is to show some of the difference bwteen the two. I do not find their teachings adequate to use today. H. P. Blavatsky's are much more timeless in its nature. And her level of visdom was as far as I am aware on a higher level. But each his or her own path. - ParaBrahman is always there.

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H. P. Blavatsky said: 
"The Society founded to remedy the glaring evils of Christianity, to shun bigotry and intolerance, cant and superstition and to cultivate real universal love extending even to the dumb brute". 
(The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 7, p.246)



M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Frank Reitemeyer 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Steiner


  1. Morten wrote:
  But let us not forget, that Steiner spoke very much out against the Jesuits. Here are a few relevant excerpts from his lecture. And please bear in mind that this was year 1911.

  So what?
  Many spoke against Jesuits. And why not in 1911?
  The Kulturkampf (clash of civilizations) between Bismarck and Jesuits broke out in 1872 with Bismarck's ban of SJ and socialists.
  It was not before 1917 (in consequence of the development of the Jesuitical WW I against Germany) that the SJ was allowed to re-establish their HQ.
  HPB says that the SJ were founded to split and destroy Germany.

  As to the published books:
  Bear in mind that in their Dornach HQ's the Illuminati rule.
  We probably will never know what Steiner said (the most part of his GA Gesamtausgabe/Collected Works are transscripts from lectures) as nearly all is highly edited, not only style, but also content.
  And not hear and then, but systematically in every sentence.
  Who says this?
  To priests of his church, who served many years in the HQ in the editorial staff of his Collected Works, see here:

  Booklet "Verbatim and unsophisticated?"
  http://www.flensburgerhefte.de/titel/so/so20.html

  F.e. in the official books they let Steiner say that the priestcraft serves since ancient times as the carrier of esoteric wisdom, while a look into a survived transscript shows that he actually said that the priestcraft since thousands of years is the destroyer of esoteric wisdom.

  The author give many such examples, so one concludes that practically no statement in the published texts may be true.

  So they have the same problem as we theosophists, were also practical all books are manipulated (even in B:CW).

  Or with Goethe, Schiller, Mozart, Beethoven....

  2.
  >Or have I overlooked something?

  The fanatism about Jesus Christ as the only one and the highest one is in the best interests of the Jesuits.
  In a recent German jesuitical book I found the statement, that the Buddha proofs himself that Jesus is superior to him, as Buddha says to his disciples: "Do not believe, what I say!", while Jesus says to his disciples: "I am the way, the truth and the life!"

  Any questions?

  Frank

  "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
  (George Orwell)

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