Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00775)

Lol, I just noticed a few contradictions in my story,
but they are of no importance...
It is my 49th birthday next wednesday; I invite the
whole family and all of their friends ( to whom I
actually see many in this forum too), physically,
mentally and spiritually. This is not just because of
my humble self, but as a reminder of the day of the
Ruler of the ...Total (Natural) Harmonic Hierarchy's,
which we all serve...and ARE.
( I can not speak for Him )but accept my blessings any
way.
See you laters Alligators
(After a mile you son of the Nile)


--- Morten Nymann Olesen
<global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

> 
> Well, interesting Martin...
> 
> My idea was that J. Krishnamurti have been one of
> the main promoters of debasing the doctrine of
> Master-Chelaship, and that the Radha camp and
> friends have for decades not really clairified why
> this is a useful doctrine, when The "Book of
> Discipline" in the schools of "Dzyan." tell us all
> the opposite.
> 
> It is not healthy to promote as a theosophical view
> that Master-Chelaship is a crutch as J. Krishanmurti
> did. 
> There are limits to what Master will accept. The
> proper view is that it - can - be a crutch, and NOT
> that it at all times - is - a crutch.
> 
> 
> - - - - - - - -
> 
> 
> Saying that it is wise to promote J. Krishnamurti a
> socalled Messiah showing no signs and fruits what so
> ever of being a Messiah and World Teacher - more
> than or as just as valid as - Krishna, Buddha,
> Joshua ben Pandira, or Khidr is way out of line -
> and not in accordance with theosophical teaching.
> Authors like H. P. Blavatsky, Idries Shah,
> Vivekananda, Ramana Maharishi, Amma, Mahatma Ghandi
> and similar could just as well be called World
> Teachers because of their acitivities and fruits.
> 
> The theosophical cause is not in need of a J.
> Krishnamurti cult, who devalues the Masters and
> Master-Chelaship.
> The the present day medias and intellectual academic
> authors will only promote the view, that TS Adyar is
> Messiah Cult with a low level Messiah, when compared
> with Jesus Christ. We cannot have a continuátion
> this.
> 
> Sometimes theosophical groups are hit by lack of
> sincerity. Sometimes it is lack of sincerity of the
> doctrine and cause we call Master-Chelaship.
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/15301
> 
> - - - - - - - -
> Master KH wrote in a Mahatma Letter:
> For the opposition represents enormous vested
> interests, and they have enthusiastic help from the
> Dugpas -- in Bhootan and the Vatican!
> (Here is all of Mahtama Letter, No. 55. Dugpas are
> the same as selfish Magicians.) 
> 
> 
> 
> H. P. Blavatsky said:
> "The Society founded to remedy the glaring evils of
> Christianity, to shun bigotry and intolerance, cant
> and superstition and to cultivate real universal
> love extending even to the dumb brute".
> (The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 7,
> p.246) 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Martin 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:50 AM
>   Subject: Re: Theos-World A pledge to HPB or
> Kirshnamurti?
> 
> 
>   Ineteresting topic...!
> 
>   I was raised by 2 Dugpa's and later changed their
>   lifes forever.
>   I cured my mothers illnesses by birth ( she told
> me I
>   drank poison from her breasts the first 3 day's of
> my
>   life).
>   I showed my father the way to happiness by
> marrying
>   another woman, after 32 years of marriage.
> 
>   I was raised Spartanic, had 6 brothers and 2
> sisters.
>   I honour them in despite of all the wrongdoing's I
>   went through and love them deeply as if I had Mary
> and
>   Josef as parents.
> 
>   A final note:
>   They are both still alive (78 and 82 years of
> age),
>   and I am planning to reunite the family with the
> help
>   of my brothers and sisters, since I actually only
>   have good (theosophical) contact with my 6 year
> older
>   brother who was my dealiest enemy).
>   My socalled stepfather is 91 y.o.a. now and is
> still
>   driving his electric bike!!!
>   If I can manage with my families help to reunite
>   again, the spell of our fanily Dugpa will be
> broken.
>   The next step will be my country ( I live in the
>   Netherlands).
>   My 2cnts.
> 
>   A first step has been my eldest brother ( I am the
>   middle one of 13 births (with 3 dead babies).
> 
>   --- Morten Nymann Olesen
>   <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
> 
>   > To all readers
>   > 
>   > My views are:
>   > 
>   > 
>   > *** HE WHO WIPETH NOT AWAY THE FILTH WITH WHICH
> THE
>   > PARENT'S BODY MAY HAVE BEEN DEFILED BY AN ENEMY,
>   > NEITHER LOVES THE PARENT NOR HONOURS HIMSELF.
> ***
>   > 
>   > I can only recommend, that all members of TS
> Adyar
>   > to read the following carefully so to understand
>   > chelaship - and leadership. And when they are
> able
>   > to relate this to J. Krishnamurti's teachings in
> a
>   > manner, which is not in opposition to his own
>   > teachings, I will be happy to learn and know
> about
>   > this. Until then I must regard J. Krishnamurti's
>   > teachings as an obstacle to the theosophical
> cause
>   > and therefore possibly also the TS cause.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > >>> H. P. Blavatsky said the folllowing <<<
>   > "In 1890, in England, a second Preliminary
>   > Memorandum* was published, this being extracts
> from
>   > H.P.B.'s "Preliminary Explanations to No. III of
> the
>   > Instructions," plus the penultimate paragraph of
>   > that Instruction. The Aryan Press in New York
> also
>   > published this second Preliminary Memorandum in
> an
>   > eight-page pamphlet. Its text is as follows:
>   > Strictly private and confidential.
>   > 
>   > ESOTERIC SECTION
>   > 
>   > PRELIMINARY MEMORANDUM
>   > 
>   > "If thou canst not fulfil thy pledge, refuse to
> take
>   > it, but once thou hast bound thyself to any
> promise,
>   > carry it out, even if thou hast to die for it."
>   > 
>   > Membership in the E. S., and "pledges" sent,
>   > accepted and signed, are no warrants for a high
>   > success, nor do these pledges aim at making of
> every
>   > student an adept or a magician. They are simply
> the
>   > seeds in which lurks the potentiality of every
>   > truth, the germ of that progress which will be
> the
>   > heirloom of only the seventh perfect Race. A
> handful
>   > of such seeds was entrusted to me by the keepers
> of
>   > these truths, and it is my duty to sow them
> there,
>   > where I perceive a possibility of growth. It is
> the
>   > parable of the Sower put once more into
> practice,
>   > and a fresh lesson to be derived from its new
>   > application. The seeds that fall into good
> ground
> 
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