Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00240)

Hi Anand,

>Don't blame Radha Burnier for failure of officers in America and 
Europe.<

It seems that am talking about apples, you about pears. 

My post was reaction to Predro's letter which I understood as 
propaganda in favor of one party in conflict. I tried to present some 
facts that in past election process and aftermath both parties were 
and still are playing unfair, illegal and unethical game and that 
objectivity requires balanced perspective.

As to the President, I would expect that she will use her position of 
authority to address membership proposing way out from this 
unpleasant situation. From the Headquarters I would expect that it 
will do something to inform membership about current situation.

On the other hand, to get objective view of the influence of Radha 
Burnier's presidentship on the situation in national sections in 
America in Europe some serious analysis should be made. I know at 
least one instance when this influence was devastating.

Best regards,
Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
>
> Don't blame Radha Burnier for failure of officers in America and
> Europe. TS gives considerable freedom to officers in other 
countries.
> And when they fail in other countries, it is their own inability to
> perform.
> In India condition of Theosophy is much better. It is true that
> certain things can be improved. It is true that Radha is not 
perfect,
> but one can't expect perfection from a human being. Other officers 
are
> even worse than Radha.
> I have seen some good people in India, who, I think, should hold 
high
> posts. 
> Best
> Anand Gholap
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Let's be honest. Let' see the facts. 
> > 
> > We have two opposing forces in the Theosophical Society Adyar. 
One is 
> > gathered around the President and her administration at the 
> > Headquarters in Adyar, the other around some GS of National 
Sections. 
> > First one is trying to keep things as they are; the second want 
some 
> > changes. It is assumed that first one "dominate the Society 
> > by `constitutional' means", the second that it 
> > performs "dictatorship".
> > 
> > It is a fact that actual President was the first one who violated 
the 
> > TS Rules and Regulations in the past election process. It is a 
fact 
> > that the Executive Committee isn't composed and doesn't act 
according 
> > to the TS Rules and Regulations as a body of the General Council 
but 
> > as an extended arm of the President and her administration. It is 
a 
> > fact that the President and the Executive Committee completely 
ignore 
> > complaints of some members of the General Council. It is a fact 
that 
> > we didn't hear one word from the President in regard to the 
present 
> > critical situation in the Theosophical Society. So, do we have 
the 
> > President at all? Who is actually running the Theosophical 
Society? 
> > What service does the Headquarters actually offer to the National 
> > Sections? What the Headquarters actually do to promote Theosophy 
in 
> > the world?
> > 
> > On the other hand is a fact that in past elections general 
violation 
> > of the TS Rules and Regulations and an unethical behavior 
followed 
> > the action of the President. It is a fact that after losing the 
> > elections some GS of the National Sections or members of the 
General 
> > Council has secretly proposed the amendments to the TS Rules and 
> > Regulations to get more influence on the policy of the Society 
and 
> > the election of the President. It is a fact that there is in 
general 
> > lack of transparency and communication between the leaders and 
> > members in the National Sections. It is also a fact that there is 
> > serious decline of membership too. 
> > 
> > Now, what? We have diagnosed the disease, so let's begin the 
therapy!
> > 
> > Polarization is a method to keep society divided, immersed in 
> > internal struggles, so that interests of those who are pulling 
the 
> > strings can be realized. Therefore the question is: in whose 
interest 
> > is to keep the international Theosophical Society and some of its 
> > National Societies to great extend sterile, unable to really 
perform 
> > their mission? Maybe the answer to this question is not an easy 
one, 
> > but it is quite easy to understand that every thought, emotion 
and 
> > deed from the part of the Society's members which tends to 
enforce 
> > this polarization contributes to keep the Society crippled.
> > 
> > There is no reason and it is unreasonable to continue this game. 
> > Every Member, every Lodge, every National Society, every 
Federation, 
> > is autonomous and free to act and interact with others in the 
best 
> > interests of the Society. There is no reason and it is 
unreasonable 
> > not to attempt to apply transparency and collaboration on the 
level 
> > of Individual Members, Lodges, National Societies, and 
Federations if 
> > we are not able yet, for now, to apply it on international level. 
> > There is no reason and it is unreasonable not to try to attain 
> > collaboration on the level of Individual Members, Lodges, 
National 
> > Societies, and Federations and launch different projects and 
realize 
> > different ideas which were already put on the table.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Anton 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Pedro wrote:
> > > "You have shown us that the essence of Theosophy is 
> > > indeed human regeneration and, in doing so, you have helped to 
keep 
> > > alive within us, members, the message of the Founders."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I guess, when we call the founders H. P. Blavatsky and H. S. 
> > Olcott, I will have to express my honest doubt about the truth in 
> > that statement. Any comments anyone?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > 
> > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >   From: Pedro Oliveira 
> > >   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > >   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:51 AM
> > >   Subject: Theos-World Letter to the International President of 
the 
> > TS
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   Dear Radhaji,
> > > 
> > >   As the TS goes through another of its periodical crises, the 
> > present 
> > >   being perhaps one of the most serious in the last one hundred 
> > years, 
> > >   my thoughts are very much with you at this moment.
> > > 
> > >   I am sure I am joined in my concern for both your well-being 
and 
> > the 
> > >   well-being of The Theosophical Society by members in many 
> > countries.
> > > 
> > >   One joins the TS in order to serve its purpose and ideals, 
and 
> > this 
> > >   is a privilege of many lifetimes, as the Society exists to 
help 
> > the 
> > >   Powers of Goodness and Wisdom in their work of regenerating 
the 
> > human 
> > >   consciousness.
> > > 
> > >   Those who, in the recent Presidential election in the TS, 
used 
> > your 
> > >   health as an instrument of political manipulation and power, 
are 
> > now 
> > >   attempting to curtail your constitutional prerogatives as the 
> > duly 
> > >   elected President of the TS, among other things. They are 
also 
> > >   attempting to disenfranchise the entire membership of the 
Society 
> > >   from their fundamental right to elect the International 
President.
> > > 
> > >   We have seen such forces acting at different times in the 
history 
> > of 
> > >   the Society. They are the instruments of division, strife and 
> > >   separateness. However, every time such forces have raised 
their 
> > >   heads, and attempted to deviate the Society from its sacred 
> > purpose, 
> > >   they have been prevented from doing so by the collective will 
of 
> > the 
> > >   majority of the members. The present attempt is perhaps more 
> > serious 
> > >   because it includes manipulation and politicking from within 
the 
> > >   General Council. Those who are doing so, as you know, have 
not 
> > >   consulted you at any time regarding their intended actions. 
> > > 
> > >   Your life and your work speak for themselves. When members 
world-
> > wide 
> > >   successively elected you as President of the Theosophical 
> > Society, 
> > >   they expressed their choice. Your mandate therefore has been 
> > given to 
> > >   you by the members of the TS. Your contribution to the 
Society is 
> > >   such that it has maintained the TS as a strong spiritual body 
> > >   internationally. You have shown us that the essence of 
Theosophy 
> > is 
> > >   indeed human regeneration and, in doing so, you have helped 
to 
> > keep 
> > >   alive within us, members, the message of the Founders.
> > > 
> > >   With strong support for your work, for Adyar and with warm 
and 
> > >   fraternal good wishes,
> > > 
> > >   Pedro Oliveira 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >    
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>