Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00443)

What I find amazing is that that poor crazy person thinks that he could  ever 
stop me!
 
What drugs is he taking?
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 10/16/2008 7:41:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
The position of Heretic has already been taken
Cass

-----  Original Message ----
From: alex <_alexmorgan777@alexmorgan7_ (mailto:alexmorgan777@hotmail.com) >
To:  _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent:  Friday, 17 October, 2008 1:37:14 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to  preach and popularise a knowledge of 
theosophy."

Morten, I do not find  those views to be irrelevant for Theos-talk, I 
just think that this case  is something different.

It's one thing to try and help ignorant people,  have healthy debates, 
question everything we read, hear and believe in  etc., but it's quite 
another to have a person who is consistently  spreading foolish and 
misleading vibes with full knowledge. 

So I'm  not sure what good help is possible, in my view what you call 
compassion  and theosophical could just be a form of foolishness and 
selfishness  because you are not considering the many faces he has 
turned away from  Theosophy by just him being here. 
I would have never allowed this  disrespect to go on for a decade, his 
every post leaves a bad aftertaste.  

It's like one of us joining Demonosophy World to preach and  
popularise the knowledge of Theosophy. Weird. 

Alex the Heretic  

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"  <global-
theosophy@.. .> wrote:
>
> Dear Alex
>  
> 
> My views are:
> 
> 
> I find your  intentions to be good, but not quite compassionate. 
> And the view you  are offering are not really quite theosophical 
teaching.
> 
>  Try the below from H. P: Blavatsky.We often divide members at 
Theos-talk  into thin-skinned or thick-skinnedog various degree's.
> 
>  Blavatsky said:
> "He who objects to having his views controverted and  criticized 
must not write for Lucifer. " ..."Moreover, we have given good  proofs 
of our impartiality. We published articles and letters criticizing  
not alone our personal theosophical and philosophical views, but  
discussing on subjects directly concerned with our personal honour 
and  reputation; reviving the infamous calumnies in which not simple 
doubts,  but distinctly formulated charges of dishonesty were cast 
into our teeth  and our private character was torn to shreds (Vide "A 
Glance at Theosophy  from the Outside", Lucifer for October, 1888). 
And if the editor will  never shrink from what she considers her duty 
to her readers, and that she  is prepared to throw every possible 
light upon mooted questions in order  that truth should shine bright 
and hideous lies and superstitions be shown  under their true colours -
why should our contributors prove themselves so  thin-skinned? "
> ( IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY? by H. P. Blavatsky - Lucifer  Magazine 
1888)
> 
> So I will have to disagree a bit with your  ideas. I would rather 
recommend, that the members at this place learn to  control their 
emotions. Individuals and ideas are all part of our life.  Everything 
is ParaBrahman - as neti, neti - (ie. not this, not  that).
> I do also know, that some persons are not fond of all what H.  P. 
Blavatsky did and said.
> If you find H. P. Blavatsky's above  views irrelevant to use at 
Theos-talk I would like to know why.
> Do  you have any ideas?
> May I ask:If you only help your friends and only  talk to your 
friends, what good do you do?M. Sufilight
> 
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: alex 
> To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:50  PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a  
knowledge of theosophy."
> 
> 
> Hi Morten good to see  you here, and thank you for those Sufi 
stories.
> 
> I agree  with you and I think that's what I've done, I confronted 
him.
> My  English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to worry 
about  
> me, things don't really bother me anymore. 
> I'm surprised no  one has noticed but there is a dugpa in the 
center 
> of our living  room who makes fun of and opposes everything we 
live 
> and breathe  for (or at least try to). This is not just about me 
and 
> those who  have passively settled for this circus here. Sure, I 
can 
> clear my  inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk' , read only 
from 
> some  and go do something more useful. But imagine what a newbie 
to 
>  theosophy would think of the people in here letting this person 
run  
> wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring 
>  Theosophist?
> 
> I will show you a recent example of what goes  on: 
> (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)
>  
> "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether  
they're 
> aware of it or not.
> the occult is from the pit of  Hell.
> Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who led  & 
leads 
> many other lost souls to their damnation." 
>  
> If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a 
>  distracting cancer from the body.
> 
> Alex
> 
> ---  In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
>  theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Dear  Alex
> > 
> > I am not the moderator on this list.
>  > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you 
not  
> agree on that Chuck?
> > 
> > Yet, it is also true,  to some of us, that a number of Chuck's e-
> mails are in fact quite  theosophical in content. If you can - 
not - 
> find any of his  e-mails to be theosophical in content, please let 
me 
>  know.
> > 
> > The fact that is that you tell me and others,  that you grow 
> impatient, because you completely disagree with all  Chuck writes 
in 
> his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete  them.
> > 
> > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all  those e-mails I 
> thought to be - no good, I would problably be very  busy. :-) 
> Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below.  
> > 
> > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about  his behaviour 
> instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic  idea. Do you 
not 
> agree?
> > 
> > 
> >  Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.... ...
> > I do hope,  that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
> > 
> > - -  - - - - -
> > 
> > 1.
> > THE REMEDY
> >  Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great conqueror 
>  Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
> > 
> > One day, so  goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla and 
said:
> >  'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop 
their  
> evil work?'
> > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish  all the criminals,' 
> said Nasrudin.
> > 'You mean the  slanderers?'
> > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,'  the Mulla 
> reminded him
> > 
> > - - - - - -  -
> > 
> > 2.
> > WHOM TO BELIEVE
> >  Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but did 
not  
> seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local  
wise 
> man the stupidest questions, always based upon random  assumptions
> > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was  Inissing. He ran 
to 
> the wise man 5 house.
> > 'Well,  Mulla, what is it this time?'
> > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I  find it?'
> > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla.  'Nasrudin,' he 
> said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and  been ap-
pointed 
> the magistrate in the next town.'
> >  Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged to 
the  
> court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at  
him:
> > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
> >  The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you talk 
to 
>  me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
> > 'I'm the  well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best 
> authority that  you are my donkey.'
> > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right  senses would credit 
such a 
> thing!'
> > Nasrudin drew  himself up to his full height. 'Say what you like 
he 
> said, 'I  prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather 
than 
> that of  a donkey.'
> > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired  when one 
is 
> ready for it: though people insist on seeking  enlightenment as 
and 
> when they want it. The Sufi's task, however,  includes trying to 
> impart knowledge in the right way, at the right  time, to the 
people 
> who are able to receive it:
> >  
> > - - - - - - -
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  > M. Sufilight
> > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year  2008.)
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----  
> > From: alex 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
> > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
> > Subject:  Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a 
> knowledge of  theosophy."
> > 
> > 
> > Is this funny for  everyone here? 
> > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok  with this and 
even 
> > allows you to showoff your website. Is he  still alive? I don't 
> know 
> > about others but I'm starting  to get tired of deleting your 
> messages 
> > from my  inbox.
> > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing  around 
> that 
> > spoils things for others, and makes the new  comer puke on the 
> whole 
> > group and leave. 
> >  The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think we 
> need  
> > to see this nonsense anymore.
> > 
> > Chuck,  why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things 
> around,  
> > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon the  
> path 
> > of sorcery and black magic? 
> > Think  about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, peoples 
> >  participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and 
> >  promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas! 
> > What do you think?  :)
> > 
> > Alex
> > 
> > --- In  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > >
> >  > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of those 
>  obsolete 
> > ideas of 
> > > purity, self-denial,  charity, etc and concentrate on finding 
> what 
> > really is  
> > > going on.
> > > 
> > > Chuck the  heretic
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message  dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight 
> Time, 
> >  > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > 
> > > 
>  > > 
> > > 
> > > "For our doctrines to  practically react on the so called 
moral 
> code
> > >  or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity, 
> etc.,  
> > we
> > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge  of theosophy."
> > > 
> > > Quoted from a letter from  the Chohan
> > > __http://www.theosoci_ (http://www.theosoci/)  _http://www._ 
(http://www./)  theoshttp: //wwhttp: //www._ 
> >  > (_http://www.theosoci_ (http://www.theosoci/)  ety.org/pasadena 
/mahatma/  ml-choh.htm) 
> > > 
> > > So exactly what do we  preach and popularise?
> > > 
> > > Are there certain  teachings that constitute this "theosophy"? 
> And 
> >  if
> > > so, what are these teachings?
> > > 
>  > > And where do we find these teachings?
> > > 
>  > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in turn  
we
> > > can "preach and popularise" them?
> > >  
> > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials  of 
the
> > > TS? Any member of the TS?
> > >  
> > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical  
> organization
> > > or association.
> > >  
> > > Can non-members preach and popularise this  theosophy?
> > > 
> > > And in this same letter, the  Chohan tells us:
> > > 
> > > ------------ ---------  --------- --------- --------- -
> > > The doctrine we promulgate  being the only true one, must, --
> > > supported by such evidence  as we are preparing to give become
> > > ultimately triumphant as  every other truth. Yet it is 
absolutely
> > > necessary to  inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
> > > unimpeachable  facts for those who know, with direct inferences
> > > deducted  from and corroborated by the evidence furnished by 
> modern
>  > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a synonym  
of
> > > truth....
> > > ------------ ---------  --------- --------- --------- -
> > > 
> > > This is  quite a CLAIM.
> > > 
> > > "The doctrine we  promulgate being the only true one...."
> > > 
> > >  So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and 
where 
>  can 
> > we
> > > find an exposition of this  teaching?
> > > 
> > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET  DOCTRINE written by H.P. 
> Blavatsky?
> > > 
> >  > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie 
Besant's  "Man,
> > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant  
> Investigation" W
> > > 
> > > Or in a book by  Alice Bailey? or....in a book by Elizabeth 
> Claire
> > >  Prophet?
> > > 
> > > If "we" are to popularise a  knowledge of Theosophy, what 
> exactly do
> > > we  popularise?
> > > 
> > > Is reincarnation part of this  DOCTRINE?
> > > 
> > > What if I start popularising  the teaching of reincarnation 
that
> > > includes the  provision that humans can sometimes be reborn as
> > >  animals?
> > > 
> > > Am I faithfully transmitting the  DOCTRINE?
> > > 
> > > And who is to say that I am  faithfully or not transmitting the
> > > DOCTRINE?
> >  > 
> > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL, TRUE  "doctrine" 
is?
> > > 
> > > The objects of the TS  doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is 
all 
> > about,
> >  > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] discover 
>  what 
> > the
> > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to  hold in SUCH high regard?
> > > 
> > > Daniel
>  > > __http://hpb.cc__ (http://hpb.cc_/)   (_http://hpb.cc/_ 
(http://hpb.cc/) ) 
>  > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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