Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
Oct 17, 2008 01:31 AM
by alex
Your new group, you didn't have to do that for me, there are plenty
of dead theosophical groups already and I could've made one myself if
I wanted to.
Of course have it if you choose to.
I'll see you around, I'm strting to get attached over here without
getting anything done.
Take care
Alex
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Aeehm...Delete what?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alex
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:57 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
knowledge of theosophy."
>
>
> LOL OKAY.
> Thank you Morten you are doing a great job.
> I'll stop whining now, it's just new for this thin-skinned.
> Please delete that thing Great Heart! :)
>
> Alex
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Alex
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > I write these words out of compassion seeking to be of service.
> > Criticism of our theosophical doctrines will as far as I and
others
> are concerned always be allowed within the theosophical
teachings. At
> least until the level of thought begins its Pralaya in this
> Manvantara.
> >
> > People will never learn if they agree all the time.
> > And that is not good if they in fact spiritually speaking need
to
> learn.
> >
> >
> > Alex wrote:
> > "but it's quite
> > another to have a person who is consistently spreading foolish
and
> > misleading vibes with full knowledge."
> >
> > M. Sufilight says:
> > You claim he has "full knowledge". Do you, yourself, have
enough
> knowledge to forward this claim?
> > We never seek to turn our back on anyone, who honestly claim to
be
> a Seeker after Truth. We know and recognise that all human beings
are
> important and deserves help and not the opposite.
> >
> >
> > Alex wrote:
> > "because you are not considering the many faces he has
> > turned away from Theosophy by just him being here. "
> >
> > M. Sufilight says:
> > Perhaps not. How many do you - actually - know of?
> >
> >
> > Alex wrote:
> > "I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a
decade,
> his
> > every post leaves a bad aftertaste."
> >
> > M. Sufilight says:
> > Do you have some examples on this "bad aftertaste"?
> >
> >
> > I suggest: Let us not as theosophists Demonize anyone.
> >
> > - - -
> > Yet, I will agree, that this place is not - that - attractive
to
> what we call thin-skinned Seekers after Truth.
> >
> > So - I have just created a Theos-Talk-Heart (
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk-heart ) forum. And you
are
> welcome to invite all the members you claim, have been turned
away.
> > I will moderate it, seeking more Heart. No Chuck personalities
and
> similar "villains" will be allowed. - Allright?
> > :-)
> > Let us all do an effort.
> >
> >
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: alex
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:37 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> knowledge of theosophy."
> >
> >
> > Morten, I do not find those views to be irrelevant for Theos-
> talk, I
> > just think that this case is something different.
> >
> > It's one thing to try and help ignorant people, have healthy
> debates,
> > question everything we read, hear and believe in etc., but it's
> quite
> > another to have a person who is consistently spreading foolish
> and
> > misleading vibes with full knowledge.
> >
> > So I'm not sure what good help is possible, in my view what you
> call
> > compassion and theosophical could just be a form of foolishness
> and
> > selfishness because you are not considering the many faces he
has
> > turned away from Theosophy by just him being here.
> > I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a
decade,
> his
> > every post leaves a bad aftertaste.
> >
> > It's like one of us joining Demonosophy World to preach and
> > popularise the knowledge of Theosophy. Weird.
> >
> > Alex the Heretic
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Alex
> > >
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > >
> > > I find your intentions to be good, but not quite
compassionate.
> > > And the view you are offering are not really quite
theosophical
> > teaching.
> > >
> > > Try the below from H. P: Blavatsky.We often divide members at
> > Theos-talk into thin-skinned or thick-skinnedog various
degree's.
> > >
> > > Blavatsky said:
> > > "He who objects to having his views controverted and
criticized
> > must not write for Lucifer. " ..."Moreover, we have given good
> proofs
> > of our impartiality. We published articles and letters
> criticizing
> > not alone our personal theosophical and philosophical views,
but
> > discussing on subjects directly concerned with our personal
> honour
> > and reputation; reviving the infamous calumnies in which not
> simple
> > doubts, but distinctly formulated charges of dishonesty were
cast
> > into our teeth and our private character was torn to shreds
> (Vide "A
> > Glance at Theosophy from the Outside", Lucifer for October,
> 1888).
> > And if the editor will never shrink from what she considers her
> duty
> > to her readers, and that she is prepared to throw every
possible
> > light upon mooted questions in order that truth should shine
> bright
> > and hideous lies and superstitions be shown under their true
> colours -
> > why should our contributors prove themselves so thin-skinned?"
> > > ( IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY? by H. P. Blavatsky - Lucifer
Magazine
> > 1888)
> > >
> > > So I will have to disagree a bit with your ideas. I would
> rather
> > recommend, that the members at this place learn to control
their
> > emotions. Individuals and ideas are all part of our life.
> Everything
> > is ParaBrahman - as neti, neti - (ie. not this, not that).
> > > I do also know, that some persons are not fond of all what H.
> P.
> > Blavatsky did and said.
> > > If you find H. P. Blavatsky's above views irrelevant to use
at
> > Theos-talk I would like to know why.
> > > Do you have any ideas?
> > > May I ask:If you only help your friends and only talk to your
> > friends, what good do you do?M. Sufilight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: alex
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:50 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise
a
> > knowledge of theosophy."
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Morten good to see you here, and thank you for those Sufi
> > stories.
> > >
> > > I agree with you and I think that's what I've done, I
> confronted
> > him.
> > > My English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to
worry
> > about
> > > me, things don't really bother me anymore.
> > > I'm surprised no one has noticed but there is a dugpa in the
> > center
> > > of our living room who makes fun of and opposes everything we
> > live
> > > and breathe for (or at least try to). This is not just about
me
> > and
> > > those who have passively settled for this circus here. Sure,
I
> > can
> > > clear my inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk', read
only
> > from
> > > some and go do something more useful. But imagine what a
newbie
> > to
> > > theosophy would think of the people in here letting this
person
> > run
> > > wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring
> > > Theosophist?
> > >
> > > I will show you a recent example of what goes on:
> > > (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)
> > >
> > > "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether
> > they're
> > > aware of it or not.
> > > the occult is from the pit of Hell.
> > > Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who led
&
> > leads
> > > many other lost souls to their damnation."
> > >
> > > If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a
> > > distracting cancer from the body.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> <global-
> > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Alex
> > > >
> > > > I am not the moderator on this list.
> > > > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do
you
> > not
> > > agree on that Chuck?
> > > >
> > > > Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of
Chuck's
> e-
> > > mails are in fact quite theosophical in content. If you can -
> > not -
> > > find any of his e-mails to be theosophical in content, please
> let
> > me
> > > know.
> > > >
> > > > The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow
> > > impatient, because you completely disagree with all Chuck
> writes
> > in
> > > his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete them.
> > > >
> > > > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails
I
> > > thought to be - no good, I would problably be very busy. :-)
> > > Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below.
> > > >
> > > > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his
behaviour
> > > instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do
> you
> > not
> > > agree?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.......
> > > > I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
> > > >
> > > > - - - - - - -
> > > >
> > > > 1.
> > > > THE REMEDY
> > > > Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great
> conqueror
> > > Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
> > > >
> > > > One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla
> and
> > said:
> > > > 'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we
stop
> > their
> > > evil work?'
> > > > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the
> criminals,'
> > > said Nasrudin.
> > > > 'You mean the slanderers?'
> > > > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the
Mulla
> > > reminded him
> > > >
> > > > - - - - - - -
> > > >
> > > > 2.
> > > > WHOM TO BELIEVE
> > > > Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but
> did
> > not
> > > seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local
> > wise
> > > man the stupidest questions, always based upon random
> assumptions
> > > > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He
> ran
> > to
> > > the wise man 5 house.
> > > > 'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
> > > > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
> > > > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,'
he
> > > said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been ap-
> > pointed
> > > the magistrate in the next town.'
> > > > Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla
trudged
> to
> > the
> > > court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist
at
> > him:
> > > > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
> > > > The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you
> talk
> > to
> > > me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
> > > > 'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the
best
> > > authority that you are my donkey.'
> > > > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit
> > such a
> > > thing!'
> > > > Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you
> like
> > he
> > > said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather
> > than
> > > that of a donkey.'
> > > > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when
one
> > is
> > > ready for it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment
as
> > and
> > > when they want it. The Sufi's task, however, includes trying
to
> > > impart knowledge in the right way, at the right time, to the
> > people
> > > who are able to receive it:
> > > >
> > > > - - - - - - -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: alex
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and
popularise
> a
> > > knowledge of theosophy."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this funny for everyone here?
> > > > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this
and
> > even
> > > > allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I
> don't
> > > know
> > > > about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your
> > > messages
> > > > from my inbox.
> > > > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing
around
> > > that
> > > > spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on
the
> > > whole
> > > > group and leave.
> > > > The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think
> we
> > > need
> > > > to see this nonsense anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn
things
> > > around,
> > > > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon
> the
> > > path
> > > > of sorcery and black magic?
> > > > Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership,
> peoples
> > > > participation and get all our votes if you choose to run
and
> > > > promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas!
> > > > What do you think? :)
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of
those
> > > obsolete
> > > > ideas of
> > > > > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on
> finding
> > > what
> > > > really is
> > > > > going on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck the heretic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central
Daylight
> > > Time,
> > > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called
> > moral
> > > code
> > > > > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial,
charity,
> > > etc.,
> > > > we
> > > > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
> > > > > _http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._
> > > > > (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-choh.htm)
> > > > >
> > > > > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there certain teachings that constitute
> this "theosophy"?
> > > And
> > > > if
> > > > > so, what are these teachings?
> > > > >
> > > > > And where do we find these teachings?
> > > > >
> > > > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in
> turn
> > we
> > > > > can "preach and popularise" them?
> > > > >
> > > > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials
> of
> > the
> > > > > TS? Any member of the TS?
> > > > >
> > > > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical
> > > organization
> > > > > or association.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
> > > > >
> > > > > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one,
must, --
> > > > > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give
> become
> > > > > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is
> > absolutely
> > > > > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its
theories,
> > > > > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct
> inferences
> > > > > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence furnished
by
> > > modern
> > > > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a
> synonym
> > of
> > > > > truth....
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > This is quite a CLAIM.
> > > > >
> > > > > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
> > > > >
> > > > > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and
> > where
> > > can
> > > > we
> > > > > find an exposition of this teaching?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P.
> > > Blavatsky?
> > > > >
> > > > > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie
> > Besant's "Man,
> > > > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant
> > > Investigation"W
> > > > >
> > > > > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by
Elizabeth
> > > Claire
> > > > > Prophet?
> > > > >
> > > > > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what
> > > exactly do
> > > > > we popularise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
> > > > >
> > > > > What if I start popularising the teaching of
reincarnation
> > that
> > > > > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be
reborn
> as
> > > > > animals?
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
> > > > >
> > > > > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not
transmitting
> the
> > > > > DOCTRINE?
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL,
> TRUE "doctrine"
> > is?
> > > > >
> > > > > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE
is
> > all
> > > > about,
> > > > > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer]
> discover
> > > what
> > > > the
> > > > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high
> regard?
> > > > >
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > > _http://hpb.cc_ (http://hpb.cc/)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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