Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00065)

Dear John,

Thank you very much for your overview. I think that what really makes 
America great is his liberal tradition that creates the democratic 
environment in which everyone can find new home. 

It is interesting that one of the Thomas Jefferson's inspirations in 
writing the Declaration of Independence was Jean Bodin's book Les Six 
Livres de la Republique (Paris, 1576) in which he described also an 
ancient ritual of installing dukes in Carantania (Slavic principality 
or first Slovenian "state") in 7th century by people. This page was 
especially bookmarked by Jefferson. And this spark of liberal and 
democratic tradition has persisted through the unpleasant history of 
our small nation in various forms of struggles against religious and 
political oppression and links us to the humanist flame of endeavors 
for individual and collective freedom around the globe.   

Warmest regards,
Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Anton,
>    Thanks for your comments and reply. Actually the Government in 
exile at Dharmasala in India has exhibited good Democratic character 
now contrasted  to what was the norm before the Chinese invaded 
Tibet, in my opinion. The Gelugpa had suppressed many other Tibetan 
Buddhist Sects and had destroyed their Temples, Scripture, and even 
the Monks in the past. They were not the picture of Democracy towards 
their brethren. Now in Dharmasala the Dalai Lama has set in gear a 
high level of facilitation and assistance even to the most abhorrent 
sects like the Ancient Pre-Buddhist Buddhist Bon whom they helped in 
the transference of the very considerable spiritual Literature and 
legacy objects of the Bon now safely extradited from the grasp of the 
atheistic Chinese government. The Dalai Lama has managed to 
facilitate the same help for the Kagyu, and other important Tibetan 
Branches of Buddhism and they have now preserved their Legacy 
Literature and Reliquaries that were smuggled out of Tibet,
>  all the while facing great danger of grave reprisals from the 
Chinese. Many have come to America fullfiling an ancient prophecy 
regarding the "Migration of the Swans" America is bloomed with many 
Tibetan Temples from coast to coast of the different Tibetan Sects. 
Tibet lives and is alive here. They seem to be thriving and happy to 
be here.
> 
>    The Dalai Lama, due to the Chinese Reprisal and kidnaping of the 
Tashi Lama at Shigatse who was the True Spiritual Leader of Tibet had 
the Tashi Lama's Official Duties and Role laid in his lap out of 
expediency. That set the condition whereby the Dalai Lama was 
necessitated to wear both hats. Prior to the suppressive Chinese 
action to deprive Tibet of it's Spiritual Leader the Dalai Lama 
performed the historical norm, that of the "Adminsitrative Leader" of 
Tibet. Now one wonders why no one remembers the Tashi Lama.
> 
>     Recently China and Russia arrived at the final settlement of 
the only remaining border dispute between the two nations with Russia 
handing over to the Chinese previously fought for and coveted 
territory and land. Now a new cooperation of the two is begun and a 
new railroad spur to link to Russian fuel resource is to be 
accomplished. China has an ambitious appetite for land and 
territories and the menu is known.
>    India has recently forcefully requested that the Dharmasala 
Exile Tibetan Government  restrain any rash action that may agitate 
India's relations with China.
> 
> Solve et coagula, nations appear and disolve, only to return with 
new garb in new places.
> 
>  Regards,
> John
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@...> 
> John,
> 
> Once I heard a commentary that Dalai Lama should organize his 
> Government in exile on democratic principles, so that it could 
become 
> appropriate party in talks with other governments, with that of 
China 
> included. As spiritual leader he simply was not in a position to 
> efficiently help Tibetan people on the political level. In 
addition, 
> China is huge country and probably already one of the leading 
> economic powers, so that Tibetan fight for autonomy is probably 
> really lost. But it is really sad to see how additional unnecessary 
> pain is imposed to ordinary people while some wolves are rejoicing. 
> 
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Anton,
> > Interesting, I've never heard of "Shugden" until I viewed the 
> video, so I learnt something worth knowing, thanks. These types of 
> things are basically a traditon that can be found in most 
Religions. 
> The Nicene Library of the Early Church Fathers teams with the 
> polemics against the Gnostic of all types, and today there are a 
> plethora of individualized Christian sects.. In Islam mainstream 
> adherents refuse to sanctify the Sufi, and of course there is huge 
> historic divisive separation between the Sunni and the Shiite. In 
> Judaism there are the Traditional and the Reform branches. Buddhism 
> has the Hinayana and Mahayana, the Tibetan branch and others. This 
> isn't the first time a Dalai Lama repressed a non-Gelugpa sect in 
> Tibet if you have read the origins. Declaring anathema is a 
tradition 
> in religions lol!
> > 
> > I don't have a lot of enthusiasm for beating a dead horse 
> (Tibetan Tibet). a couple years ago the Dalai Lama announced to the 
> world that he recognized the Legal possession of Tibet by China and 
> that Tibet is now irrevocably and inseparably Chinese. I was 
> astonished to hear him do this. I oppose the China expansionist 
> grab of Tibet based upon the marriage of a Chinese Princess to the 
> Monarch of Tibet many centuries ago. The Dalai Lama after 
recognizing 
> Tibet is China now campaigned for "autonamous self rule" by 
> Tibetans "under" Chinese Rule. The Chinese refused and instead 
using 
> a most popular tactic that the Soviets used with success began 
> repopulating Tibet with Han Chinese, soon the Tibetans will be a 
> minority in their former country. The Dalai Lama made his 
> capitulation in regards to his former country from the podium of 
the 
> United Nations. The United Nations formally recognizes that Tibet 
is 
> now China. Most nations also do the same. The USA also recognizes 
> Tibet is China 
> > now. Go on Google Earth and enter "Tibet" you will not go there, 
> there is no border of Tibet any more only the Chinese expanded 
> border. look and recent world maps there is no Tibet anymore to be 
> found on them. Buy a World Almanac where is Tibet? It is very sad 
to 
> me personally. But reality and the facts are indisputable.
> > 
> > The Soviet transferred russian populations to Ukriane, Georgia 
> and many other states that were under thier hand and it is a 
> continueing friction remaining now as seen on the stage of the 
world.
> > 
> > The Chinese are doing the same thing in regard to Taiwan 
> (Formosa), China never actually claimed Taiwan at any time during 
> all the Dynasties of China, the Island was occupied by aboriginals 
> and pirates and thiefs for tyhe entire history of China and no 
> Emporer dared to attempt to occupy it due to the large dangerous 
> population. Only when Mao came did China claim Taiwan was part of 
> China. And the world beleived him.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > Dear friends,
> > 
> > Here is an article about latest Dalai Lama's statements:
> > http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-36157220081026
> > 
> > Clarifications on H.H. the Dalai Lama's Remarks
> > http://www.dalailama.com/news.300.htm
> > 
> > It seems that this is a reaction to what seems to be an 
> orchestrated 
> > attack on his authority in last months:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ykbVSyxyA
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Anton
> > 
> > 
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