Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00516)

Political situation of her time was totally different from now.
And as far as I know her, she have not any political issue.
Christina



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Yes.
> But another point was, that H. P. Blavatsky was and even is more to 
the point about the political situation, than the juicy use of words 
you and others have used.
> Well, that is at lest obvious to me.
> 
> I do not think I need to go into details about this.
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: christinaleestemaker 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:22 PM
>   Subject: Re: Theos-World Can we see democracy as a Mass Psychosis.
> 
> 
>   Morten, you started this subject.
> 
>   If you change one letter in it Democrazy
>   yes than you can see it as masspsychose as every one take that fo 
sure
> 
>   Otherwise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:
> 
>   Democracy is a form of government in which power is held by " the 
>   people" under a free electoral system. It is derived from the 
Greek 
>   &#948;&#951;&#956;&#959;&#954;&#961;&#945;&#964;&#943;&#945; (Ell-
Dimokratia.ogg [dimokratia] (help·info)), "popular 
>   government"[1] which was coined from 
&#948;&#942;&#956;&#959;&#962; (d&#275;mos), "people" and 
>   &#954;&#961;&#940;&#964;&#959;&#962; (kratos), "rule, strength" 
in the middle of the 5th-4th 
>   century BC to denote the political systems then existing in some 
>   Greek city-states, notably Athens following a popular uprising in 
508 
>   BC.[2]
> 
>   In political theory, democracy describes a small number of 
related 
>   forms of government and also a political philosophy. Even though 
>   there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[3] 
there 
>   are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The 
>   first principle is that all members of the society have equal 
access 
>   to power and the second that all members enjoy universally 
recognized 
>   freedoms and liberties.[4][5][6]
> 
>   There are several varieties of democracy some of which provide 
better 
>   representation and more freedoms for their citizens than others.
[7]
>   [8] However, if any democracy is not carefully legislated to 
avoid an 
>   uneven distribution of political power with balances such as the 
>   separation of powers, then a branch of the system of rule is able 
to 
>   accumulate power in a way that is harmful to democracy itself.[9]
[10]
>   [11] The "majority rule" is often described as a characteristic 
>   feature of democracy, but without responsible government it is 
>   possible for the rights of a minority to be abused by the 
"tyranny of 
>   the majority". An essential process in representative democracies 
are 
>   competitive elections, that are fair both substantively[12] and 
>   procedurally[13]. Furthermore, freedom of political expression, 
>   freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that 
>   citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal 
interests.
>   [14][15]
> 
>   Popular sovereignty is common but not a universal motivating 
>   philosophy for establishing a democracy. In some countries, 
democracy 
>   is based on the philosophical principle of equal rights. Many 
people 
>   use the term "democracy" as shorthand for liberal democracy, 
which 
>   may include additional elements such as political pluralism, 
equality 
>   before the law, the right to petition elected officials for 
redress 
>   of grievances, due process, civil liberties, human rights, and 
>   elements of civil society outside the government. In the United 
>   States, separation of powers is often cited as a supporting 
>   attribute, but in other countries, such as the United Kingdom, 
the 
>   dominant philosophy is parliamentary sovereignty (though in 
practice 
>   judicial independence is generally maintained). In other cases, 
>   "democracy" is used to mean direct democracy. Though the term 
>   "democracy" is typically used in the context of a political 
state, 
>   the principles are also applicable to private organizations and 
other 
>   groups.
> 
>   Democracy has its origins in Ancient Greece.[16][17] However 
other 
>   cultures have significantly contributed to the evolution of 
democracy 
>   such as Ancient India[18], Ancient Rome[16], Europe[16], and 
North 
>   and South America.[19] Democracy has been called the "last form 
of 
>   government" and has spread considerably across the globe.[20] 
>   Suffrage has been expanded in many jurisdictions over time from 
>   relatively narrow groups (such as wealthy men of a particular 
ethnic 
>   group), but still remains a controversial issue with regard to 
>   disputed territories, areas with significant immigration, and 
>   countries that exclude certain demographic groups.
> 
>   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
>   theosophy@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Dear friends
>   > 
>   > 
>   > My views are:
>   > 
>   > Let me be more precise about the below quote and emphasise the 
>   following passage
>   > and compare this with the present day democracies in the 
western 
>   part of the world.
>   > 
>   > Theosophy and politics:
>   > "Some vilify the Theosophical Society only because it presumes 
to 
>   attempt to do that in which other systems - Church and State 
>   Christianity pre-eminently - have failed most egregiously"
>   > .......
>   > "Will you revile and scoff at the "Sermon on the Mount" because 
>   your social, political and even religious laws have, so far, not 
only 
>   failed to carry out its precepts in their spirit, but even in 
their 
>   dead letter? Abolish the oath in Courts, Parliament, Army and 
>   everywhere, and do as the Quakers do, if you will call yourselves 
>   Christians. 
>   > .......
>   > "Abolish the Courts themselves, for if you would follow the 
>   Commandments of Christ, you have to give away your coat to him 
who 
>   deprives you of your cloak, and turn your left cheek to the bully 
who 
>   smites you on the right."
>   > http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm (H. P. Blavatsky)
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > M. Sufilight
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: Morten Nymann Olesen 
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:23 PM
>   > Subject: Re: Theos-World Can we see Obama as Hitler in Mass 
>   Psychosis.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Dear friends and all
>   > 
>   > My views are:
>   > 
>   > May I add the following?
>   > 
>   > H. P. Blavatsky wrote in The Key to Theosophy, p. 53-55:
>   > 
>   > "ENQUIRER. This is pure Altruism, I confess. 
>   > 
>   > THEOSOPHIST. It is. And if only one Fellow of the T. S. out of 
>   ten would practise it ours would be a body of elect indeed. But 
there
>   > 
>   > 54
>   > 
>   > are those among the outsiders who will always refuse to see the 
>   essential difference between Theosophy and the Theosophical 
Society, 
>   the idea and its imperfect embodiment. Such would visit every sin 
and 
>   shortcoming of the vehicle, the human body, on the pure spirit 
which 
>   sheds thereon its divine light. Is this just to either? They 
throw 
>   stones at an association that tries to work up to, and for the 
>   propagation of, its ideal with most tremendous odds against it. 
Some 
>   vilify the Theosophical Society only because it presumes to 
attempt 
>   to do that in which other systems - Church and State Christianity 
pre-
>   eminently - have failed most egregiously; others because they 
would 
>   fain preserve the existing state of things: Pharisees and 
Sadducees 
>   in the seat of Moses, and publicans and sinners revelling in high 
>   places, as under the Roman Empire during its decadence. Fair-
minded 
>   people, at any rate, ought to remember that the man who does all 
he 
>   can, does as much as he who has achieved the most, in this world 
of 
>   relative possibilities. This is a simple truism, an axiom 
supported 
>   for believers in the Gospels by the parable of the talents given 
by 
>   their Master: the servant who doubled his two talents was 
rewarded as 
>   much as that other fellow-servant who had received five. To every 
man 
>   it is given "according to his several ability." 
>   > 
>   > ENQUIRER. Yet it is rather difficult to draw the line of 
>   demarcation between the abstract and the concrete in this case, 
as we 
>   have only the latter to form our judgment by. 
>   > 
>   > THEOSOPHIST. Then why make an exception for the T. S.? Justice, 
>   like charity, ought to begin at home. Will you revile and scoff 
at 
>   the "Sermon on the Mount" because your social, political
>   > 
>   > 55
>   > 
>   > and even religious laws have, so far, not only failed to carry 
>   out its precepts in their spirit, but even in their dead letter? 
>   Abolish the oath in Courts, Parliament, Army and everywhere, and 
do 
>   as the Quakers do, if you will call yourselves Christians. 
Abolish 
>   the Courts themselves, for if you would follow the Commandments 
of 
>   Christ, you have to give away your coat to him who deprives you 
of 
>   your cloak, and turn your left cheek to the bully who smites you 
on 
>   the right. "Resist not evil, love your enemies, bless them that 
curse 
>   you, do good to them that hate you," for "whosoever shall break 
one 
>   of the least of these Commandments and shall teach men so, he 
shall 
>   be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven," and "whosoever 
shall 
>   say 'Thou fool' shall be in danger of hell fire." And why should 
you 
>   judge, if you would not be judged in your turn? Insist that 
between 
>   Theosophy and the Theosophical Society there is no difference, 
and 
>   forthwith you lay the system of Christianity and its very essence 
>   open to the same charges, only in a more serious form. "
>   > 
>   > http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm
>   > 
>   > What are your views about the above?
>   > Are you disagreeing?
>   > 
>   > M. Sufilight
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: adelasie 
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:16 PM
>   > Subject: Re: Theos-World Can we see Obama as Hitler in Mass 
>   Psychosis.
>   > 
>   > Christina,
>   > 
>   > If I understand that your post is serious and that you really 
>   wish 
>   > the list to consider your statements, I must say that your post 
>   is 
>   > evidence of the same blindness and fear that HPB and all great 
>   > teachers fought throughout the ages. Humanity has a choice: we 
>   can 
>   > choose to reject progress along the path to enlightennent, to 
>   turn 
>   > away from the Light and plunge ourselves again into future eons 
>   of 
>   > man's inhumanity to man, and to all nature, or we can embrace 
the 
>   > change that is coming and proceed with love and faith, hope and 
>   > courage. Theosophy teaches the student to learn to think for 
>   himself, 
>   > and, while you have the right to your opinion, it is important 
>   that 
>   > all other students realize that intellectual manipulation of 
>   paranoia 
>   > and fear-mongering, such as your post consists of, does not 
>   > necessarily reflect truth. What it points to the most is the 
old 
>   > saying, "We prefer the familiar darkness to the unfamiliar 
>   Light." 
>   > 
>   > Theosophhy teaches the that all life is one. There is no them 
and 
>   us, 
>   > no perpetrator and victim. We are all responsible for the 
>   conditions 
>   > in which we live and for the leaders we have. We are not 
mindless 
>   > automata, being led by some diabolical mastermind. Not unless 
we 
>   > choose to be. This theory you propound is a good example of 
>   exactly 
>   > the kind of thinking it professes to expose. The evidence is 
>   > everywhere. Humanity has come to a crossroads and it is time to 
>   > choose a new direction. This is why theosophy emerged when it 
>   did, 
>   > why so many Great Souls have been working tirelessly to bring 
the 
>   > realization to all humanity that it is time to be done with 
greed 
>   and 
>   > selfishness, fear and dispair. 
>   > 
>   > Take courage and take control of your own mind, of your own 
life. 
>   > Look within your own heart if you want to know the truth. It is 
>   > always there. Leave fear and anguish behind and step boldly 
>   forward 
>   > into the Light that awaits us all, if we will only embrace it. 
>   > 
>   > Adelaise
>   > 
>   > On 20 Jan 2009 at 12:41, christinaleestemaker wrote:
>   > 
>   > > 
>   > > the use of NLP have all to do with it too.
>   > > Christina
>   > > 
>   > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" <adelasie@> 
wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > Christina,
>   > > >
>   > > > What does all this have to do with theosophy?
>   > > >
>   > > > Adelasie
>   > > >
>   > > > On 19 Jan 2009 at 20:53, christinaleestemaker wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Obama's speeches are a mass of mind-control techniques 
and 
>   Neuro-
>   > > > > Linguistic-Programming, or NLP, and they are carefully
>   > > constructed to
>   > > > > implant beliefs and perceptions into the mind of the 
>   viewer. Click
>   > > > > here for a description of his psycho-babble, headed An
>   > > Examination of
>   > > > > Obama's Use of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques in His Speeches.
>   > >
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