Re: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
Feb 04, 2009 08:55 AM
by Martin
I understand Frank, however I am not a fan of dogma's although I can see a human looking like a human tells me more about humanity than a human who turned into a beast.
Yes, we are from the same origin but we are ALL different... and most of the time not even equal. Thanks for your addition :-)
--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online.de> wrote:
From: Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online.de>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 3:57 PM
Dear Martin,
you have a practical point of view.
Yes, it is right, that for most people this debate woul dbe too specific.
But it is not for an article in the National Enquirer or a breaking news of Fox TV, but we are here a theosophical group, studying together - more or less - technical theosophy.
Technical Theosophy gives Blavatsky students many insights.
Also discussions on karma, manvantaras etc. may be of less importance for the masses as they need short-cut explanations.
Note, that the doctrine of the races is said by Master K.H. as a question of most importance, it is the cardinal dogma of the esoteric doctrine of Trans-Himalaya.
"En Passant, to show to you that not only were not the "races" invented by us, but that they are a cardinal dogma with the Lama Buddhists and with all who study our esoteric doctrine..."
http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /mahatma/ ml-23b.htm
This is the more important as the still strong Marxist movement over their Frankfurt school denies that races exist. Marxism says that all men all equal and race and gender are but social behaviours, which must be overlooked and fightened.
Here you can find the rationale why HPB was so furious, when speaking about Marxism.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
Don't see why it is so important to discuss racial issiues, when the majority of humanity doesn't even know what a human is, since they merely act like animals...please drop this bull and start teaching people they are human instead. Who gives a flying duck but the creators themselves about what race or subrace we are all from. What a waste of possibilities just to tell everyone we are human, period.
--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 8:34 AM
Yes.
And I understand that KH is not against Humes view?
But, can we have the fascimile version, which are showing the flyleaves mentioned by KH?
"Please examine carefully the few additional things I give you on the fly-leaves. Damodar has received orders to send you No. 3 of Terry's letters -- a good material for pamphlet No. 3 of Fragments of Occult Truth.
This figure roughly represents the development of humanity on a planet -- say our earth. Man evolves in seven major or root-races; 49 minor races; and the subordinate races or offshoots, the branchlet races coming from the latter are not shown.
The arrow indicates the direction taken by the evolutionary impulse.
a.. I, II, III, IV, etc., are the seven major or root-races.
b.. 1, 2, 3, etc., are the minor races.
c.. a, a, a, are the subordinate or offshoot races.
d.. N, the initial and terminal point of evolution on the planet.
e.. S, the axial point where the development equilibrates or adjusts itself in each race evolution.
f.. E, the equatorial points where in the descending arc intellect overcomes spirituality and in the ascending arc spirituality outstrips intellect.
(N.B. -- The above in D.K.'s hand -- the rest in K.H.'s. -- A.P.S.)
P.S. -- In his hurry D.J.K. has made his figure incline somewhat out of the perpendicular but it will serve as a rough memorandum. He drew it to represent development on a single planet; but I have added a word or two to make it apply as well (which it does) to a whole manwantaric chain of worlds.
K.H. "
http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /mahatma/ ml-14.htm
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Govert Schuller
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:11 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
Dear Morton,
I'm sorry to point out that the first quote you gave was O.A. Hume's
uncorrected understanding of the issue, not K.H. explanation to Sinnett.
It's from ML: 14, being "Letter from K.H. Answering Queries. Received
by A.O.H., July 9th, 1882."
The second quote is from the same letter and is by K.H., but does not
clarify the issue.
Govert
--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-theosophy@ ...> wrote:
>
> Maybe this could help?
>
>
> Master KH's letter to AP Sinnett, juli 1882:
> "That the highest people now on earth belong to the first sub-race
of the fifth race, the majority to the seventh sub-race of the fourth
race but with remnants of the other sub-races of the fourth race and
the seventh sub-race of the third race. Pray set us quite right on
this. "...etc. etc.
>
> ---
> "4th round. -- Intellect has an enormous development in this round.
The dumb races will acquire our human speech, on our globe, on which
from the 4th race language is perfected and knowledge in physical
things increases. At this half-way point of the fourth round, Humanity
passes the axial point of the minor manwantaric circle. (Moreover, at
the middle point of every major or root race evolution of each round,
man passes the equator of his course on that planet, the same rule
applying to the whole evolution or the seven rounds of the minor
Manwantara -- 7 rounds divided by 2 = 3 1/2 rounds). At this point
then the world teems with the results of intellectual activity and
spiritual decrease. In the first half of the fourth race, sciences,
arts, literature and philosophy were born, eclipsed in one nation,
reborn in another. Civilization and intellectual development whirling
in septenary cycles as the rest; while it is but in the latter half
that the spiritual Ego will begin its real struggle with body and mind
to manifest its transcendental powers. Who will help in the
forthcoming gigantic struggle? Who? Happy the man who helps a helping
hand.
>
> 5th Round. -- The same relative development, and the same struggle
continues. "
>
> http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /mahatma/ ml-14.htm
>
>
> Is there a fascimile somewhere?
>
>
>
> M. Sufilight
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank Reitemeyer
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
>
>
> Govert wrote:
>
> From the quotes below (the 'dead letter' interpretation) it looks like
> we are in Root-race 5 (Aryan), Sub-race 5 (Teutonic). Two quotes from
> HPB and one by 'Alpha' reflecting the understanding of a member. This
> understanding is also reflected in a little graph by Jinarajadasa,
> which some might call the Besant-Leadbeater interpretation, but might
> very well be in accordance with HPB. See:
> http://users. ez2.net/nick29/ theosophy/ lessons15. htm
> ------------ -------
>
> Frank answers:
> Thank you, Govert, for the link to the graph of the Besant-Leadbeater
> interpretation of the doctrine of the races.
> From where to they have the names of the races? From HPB?
> From their "Maha-Chohan" ? Or from the Logos?
>
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> Govert wrote:
>
> If HPB contradicted herself, and if to save her from the charge of
> inconsistency by saying that some of her statements were blinds, in
> what way are we to reconcile these contradictions? How do we know
> what's a blind and what not? And if a contradiction is found and one
> of the statements therefore allegedly a blind, does that make the
> subject more important?
>
> ------------ -------
>
> Frank answers:
>
> I hope, that HPB contradicted herself, as Europeans still greatest
> metaphysicial - if not theosophist - Hegel says, that a
contradiction is
> always the sign of the truth and th enon-contradiction the sign of
the
> untruth.
> How do we know? Simply by studying the mystery language.
>
> I don't think that a blind comes always with a contradiction, but
I hope
> that HPB used contradictions to make it easier for lay-chelas to
understand.
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