Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00355)

Daniel, 
Your definitely right Texas is a red neck state. Although I hadn't much real acquaintance with any true Texas residents there being in the military. I never experienced all that you did growing up there, I was only there a few months before our Unit was "Gyro'd" to Europe . 
I took my Guided Missile Ordnance training at Redstone Arsenal at Huntsville Alabama. Werner von Braun was alive then and still doing rocket research there at the time. Alabama was a total shock to a young boy from Chicago! They did have "signs" all over the place there in Alabama citys. And People of color had seperate rest rooms and drinking fountains. I had never seen such things growing up in Chicago. It made me angry and ashamed and I felt guilty knowing my friends who were people of color in training with me were forced to endure this abuse whenever they went to town and got away from the base for a while. The "Southern mentality" wasn't reserved exclusiviely for people of color either whenever I went into Huntsville and entered a restruant and sat down at counter the waiter woud tell me "Why don't you go back where you came from you god damn yankee!? Besides that I hated the taste of chickori coffee they served in the south!. I never went back or visited any place in the south in my remaining life after what I experienced there in Alabama. 

Regards, 
John 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:31:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Theos-World Re: "No Mexicans, Negroes or Dogs Allowed" 






All of this brings back "fond" memories of 
growing up in Texas in the late 1950s & early 
1960s. 

When I get a chunk of time, I will relate 
some of my own personal experiences concerning 
how both Black and Mexican people were viewed 
and treated during that time --- at least in 
certain parts of Texas. 

I remember in 1972 being so glad to move 
to Arizona and leave all the "rednecks" 
behind in Texas. 

Both blacks and mexicans were at that time 
treated like 2nd class "citizens" in Texas. 

Also hippies and homosexuals! 

And women should stay also in their proper 
places. 

Also there was alot of prejudice against 
Jews and Catholics. 

Basically in the Texas of that time, you had 
better be a white, Protestant macho man cause everyone 
one else didn't count or should at least know 
their places. 

Like I said, very fond memories. 

So you can imagine how I felt when Barack 
was elected President of the US. 

I've cried more since the day Barack was 
elected than during the rest of my entire life. 

Now I'm hoping I live long enough to see a Hispanic 
and a woman also elected to be president. 

I'm sick of all those f------g old white men being 
president! 

OBTW, I am a f------g white man too but not that 
kind!!! :) 

Daniel 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , MKR <mkr777@...> wrote: 
> 
> Some years ago, our community was looking for land in the city 
close to the 
> Camp Bullis military facility in San Antonio and I saw some land 
deeds filed 
> around 1945 which had a deed restriction that people of mexican 
origin 
> cannot reside there except as servants. But in 1932 it was a fact 
that in 
> publicly owned facilities, hispanics cannot attend public functions. 
> 
> mkr 
> 
> 
> On 2/25/09, Augoeides-222@... <Augoeides-222@...> wrote: 
> > 
> > MKR, 
> > My comment is strickly in regards to the "Sign". I was in Texas 
in the 
> > 1950's in the Military at Ft.Bliss. I frequently went into El 
Paso, Texas on 
> > a regular basis. At that time I never saw such signs anywhere 
that I visited 
> > there. That doesn't mean that his grandfather had not seen them 
in his life 
> > time but as to what I saw later I didn't see any such signs. As 
far as I can 
> > relate any one could sit at a counter and be served there. I 
personally and 
> > directly observed this. I cannot speak for the rest of Texas 
citys. We had 
> > balck and mexican soldiers in my unit and i don't recall hearing 
them 
> > complain of discrimination such as is in the PBS Program that 
they were 
> > experiencing in El paso at that time. Our Miitary Unit was 
intregated having 
> > various ethnic presence at that time 1955-60. 
> > I might also relate that on the other side of the border in 
Juarez Mexico 
> > the people there held intense prejedice against "Indios", Mexican 
citizens 
> > of Indian ethnicity and denied simple needs to them such as a 
glass of water 
> > when the temperature is over 100 degree's. I once watched an 
Indios women 
> > barefoot in traditional dress be denied water one after another 
business as 
> > she asked each one for a glass of water and the entire street 
denied her 
> > this simple needy request. I was amazed to see this and felt so 
sorry for 
> > that poor women. 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > John 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "MKR" <mkr777@... <mkr777%40gmail.com>> 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk% 
40yahoogroups.com>, "theos-l" < 
> > theos-L@yahoogroups.com <theos-L%40yahoogroups.com>> 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:56:40 AM GMT -08:00 
US/Canada Pacific 
> > Subject: Theos-World "No Mexicans, Negroes or Dogs Allowed" 
> > 
> > As late as 1950s, people in San Antonio, Texas has seen signs 
such as "No 
> > Mexicans, Negroes or Dogs Allowed". At that time San Antonio had 
about 
> > 30-40% hispanic population. There is a very interesting article 
in the 
> > local 
> > newspaper. See link below. Theosophists would be interested in 
reading it. 
> > Also may like watching PBS documentary "A Class Apart". 
> > 
> > In 1932, when Jiddu Krishnamurti visited and lectured to an 
audience of 
> > 2,500 in the city auditorium, Mexicans and Negroes were not 
allowed. He 
> > gave 
> > a second lecture at a local school just for the Mexicans and 
Negroes and of 
> > 
> > course everyone else was invited. 
> > 
> > As another anecdotal matter, it appears that Indians were, in 
early days of 
> > 
> > this century were refered to as Niggers as well by the English and 
> > Europeans!!! 
> > 
> > Here is the link for the article about Hispanics. 
> > 
> > < 
> > 
> > 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/columnists/ken_rodriguez/Case_brought 
_huge_change_for_Hispanics.html 
> > > 
> > 
> > mkr 
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