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Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?

Jun 01, 2009 01:32 PM
by Leon Maurer


Cass,

I presume you are talking about the "dark forces" that are behind the US and Israeli shadow governments -- with the motive being greed for money and power -- which they maintain simply by controlling the global economy, one way or another.

Now they have such power, through the World Banking system -- controlled almost entirely by a cabal of US, Israeli, British, German , French, Arabian, and Vatican banker/financiers, including a number of loosely interwoven family groups -- of which the Rothchild's, Rockefellers, Windsors, Thyssens, Harrimans, Schiffs, Mellons, etc,, are among the European and American leaders -- with their tentacles spread through most Industrialized or commodity rich countries and their satellites around the world -- who finance the weapons makers and war profiteers on a global scale... And use their financial powers to intimidate governments. As long as they continue to finance political campaigns and bribe government legislators and bureaucrats, they can maintain this power.

Their hope however is to gain control of all the world's governments, by consolidating them into a single "New World Order" or global government -- which they can entirely control. (BTW, this internationally consolidated NWO should not be confused with the the "New Order of the Ages" introduced in 1776 by the "Founding Fathers" or agents of the Theosophical Movement, in the form of what was intended, in the beginning, to be a pure democratic government in America.) This current idea of a single global government desired by these bankers, however, could only work for them -- considering the diversity of cultures of different nationalities and ethic groups -- as a force backed theocratic dictatorship.

In theosophical terms, it means that such nefarious, potential governmental control activities, are currently carried out by knowing and unknowing agents of the "Dugpas' or "dark side" -- who, ostensibly (whether sincerely or otherwise) -- can be members of ANY religious and/or political organization, secret society or association (including the TS). Therefore, such people can carry out their common aims, cooperatively, across all social, political, religious and ethnic boundaries... With their only conflict being over the control of territorial or competitive economic boundaries -- which can be resolved by cartel agreements between competing corporation -- which act as codependent states in a vast federalized global dictatorship.

Naturally, any false prophet or "messiah" who can front for these government and economic controllers, and capture hordes of blind believers, is just what they need to take over the global economy through a globalized dictatorial New World Order government. But even if some of the blind believing Christians and Hindus fall for their rhetoric -- I don't think they have a prayer in hell of ever achieving such an aim in this skeptical if not enlightened age. ;-) Unfortunately, according to a recent poll, nearly 44% of Americas still believe that Jesus will return in their lifetimes. It would be interesting to know what the percentages are in other countries.

However, if any such a "savior" shows up, is accepted by all of the Christians and tries to rule over a "New World Order" global government -- imagine what all the non-believer groups in each country might do in response.

As for spreading the idea that the "dark forces use Judaism as a mask"... That is a typical neo-Nazi propaganda ploy to blame the Jews for the economic problems of the world. Hitler used these same anti- Semitic propaganda techniques to blame all the Jews for the depression in Germany that led to the Nazis, WW2, and the holocaust.

The only reason Germany is today one of the world's leading and most prosperous economic powers (#3) is because of a deal, between the original American-German (cartels) banker/financiers of the Nazi war machine -- that enabled Hitler to start WW2 -- which led to the WORLD BANK and IMF system in place today.

After the war, this cooperation continued with Operation Paper Clip that brought the Nazi scientists along with some of their pro nazi leaders into America -- which led to the Moon and NASA, and enabled the rebuilding of Germany and its industries, along with the high tech American war machine -- at immense profits to all the original worldwide banker/financiers. The same "deal" was carried our with Japan after their surrender. So, in that world of high finance, what goes around, comes around. And their international cartel's continued empowerment is assured by the continuous warfare in as many remote places as possible throughout the world (so long as they are not on their "homeland's" territories).

Thus, the Federal Reserve Bank in America, as an independent part of that system, can print money as needed to support its economy (that is linked to the economy of all the European and friendly Asian nations) -- sometimes to the detriment of the people dependent on that economy (but not to the bankers themselves).

In the back rooms of the power elite, the picture of the world as it is, and planned for as the New World Order of the future -- is nothing like the ideal one pictured by the blind believers in a personal God who sends down his avatar or Messiah in the flesh to dictate, through a "New World Order" government, the paradise on Earth that they expect will be like the Garden of Eden fantasy in the Bible.

So, in my view, since there are no gods, miracles, or saviors -- the only real hope mankind has seems to be for the cycles itself to bring on the worldwide disasters (pole shift, meteor strike, volcanic eruption, atomic winter, world pandemic, etc.) that wipes out the bulk of the world's population -- (which, by its continued expansion, over-consumption and pollution can only contribute further to the depletion of Earths resources and diversity of life... So that the coming wave of sixth sub-racers can start over, almost from scratch, and rebuild the New Order of the World on purely theosophical principles... That respects nature, rather than worshipping and hoping that a personal God, or the power of money can save us from the present deterioration of the world's life supporting resources. Present mankind has poisoned its own home, the biosphere, and will have to pay the piper before it can recover under the guidance of whatever remnant survives this minor apocalyptic adjustment.

Or, we can all become true theosophists in whatever time we have left, start practicing universal brotherhood, give up all selfishness and greed, begin helping all those in need, and, by working together, begin restoring the world to its pristine state -- so it wont be such horrendous problem for the survivors and new agers.

But, since that seems to be almost impossible to achieve before it becomes "too late to relate" -- I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen before the solar system itself decides it's rime to purge the bad seeds and their effluvia... Which is needed to allow the good ones left, to start a new worldwide, government-less, true theosophical society... So that our great, great, great grand kids might find it a pleasant home in the future, and we may have and even better place to come back to in our next lives. Be nice if everyone could look that far ahead, for themselves, and start working toward it now. Even if they lose out in the big wipe out, the positive karma gained will stand them in good stead the next time around.

As HPB said, when all people know in their heart the truth of karma and reincarnation -- mankind will finally have their Paradise on Earth. But, unfortunately, knowing human nature, I don't see that happening for a long long time... Although all true theosophists can never stop working toward it, as individual nuclei of universal brotherhood.

(end of rant ;-)

Leon

On May 18, 2009, at 5/18/099:51 PM, Cass Silva wrote:

Will someone please explain to me in theosophical terms what the motive is for these dark powers?

Cass




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From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@t-online.de>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:24:51 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?





Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.
But one should not fall into the trap to assume that another candidate is better.
They are all one and the same, otherwise they would not "set aside".
And if they ever get off track, they will have an accident.

Democracy needs enlightened people, whose eyes are open and who have access to unfiltered information and are mental able to make a right decision.

But that is not the case is those countries which claim to be a democracy. Neither get the people true information, nor are they teached who to make decisions, on the contrary, the social pressure and mass media do all to hypnotize the people and format the brains.
Doubt is regarded as criminal.
Non-believe in mass-media ideologies can bring you into jail.
So no real progress since the alleged dark middle ages, only the taboos have changed.

BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in 1968 the brave New World order with an Emperor, who will have His coronation in Jerusalem.

So I hope that the Jews may awake before and recognize that Judaism is misused as a mask by dark forces.

Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Leon Maurer
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?

Antonio,

I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk states
that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up
causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
millions of people.

No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the
end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
rule.

And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
the people, is destined to fail.

My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government
never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet
talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil
minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.

I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the
works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by
edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.

Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the
people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly
better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.

And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so
long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
world problems.

As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
under their guidance and control.

In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists
and would be dictatorial monarchists.

While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an
old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
intentions." ;-)

But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
"releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should
study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart Doctrine.

So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
dictatorially religious governmental organization.

Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have
been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,
as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
(Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
Try this one for starters:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm

Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
now using psychoactive drugs.)

Best wishes,

Leon Maurer

On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:

Hi Leon,

I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our
reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.
People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
truth. Love.

Peace and blessings
Antonio

--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com> wrote:

From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM

















Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
revealing of

their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or

their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new

messenger begins the new mission?



And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated

through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to

begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the

modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and

applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high

technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated with

the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship

-- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?



And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of

superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats

during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their

new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was

withheld from HPB)?



Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal

themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their

names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to

attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a

notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to

prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free

each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit all

forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation, personal

Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.

.

Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical

Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill

that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into

the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her

writings.



Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books

necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret

Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?

(Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along

with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)



Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger

could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the

Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific

journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge?

And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the

accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a

proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as

Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his

theories.;-) See:

http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html



Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings

(with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally

together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal

brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the world

the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as

the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a

messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police state

governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.



Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,

messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that

time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And, the

biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"

will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah
himself ;-)



So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle down to

learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when

that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for

organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever

way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was

meant to be.



Best wishes,

Leon Maurer



On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:



Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now

make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?



Cass









____________ _________ _________ __

From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM

Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?











Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?



Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult

Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide

professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's

teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master

Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."



Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from

H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the

expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:



"In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far

better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final

and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-

Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and

philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to

men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original

edition)



But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following

two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in

December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.



The first passage reads:



"Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the

time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the

present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be

summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is

even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned than

herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of

the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will not

have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every last

quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain

point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from

which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will

advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master

of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or

America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce

every chance

of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year 1975.

Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and the

restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will

expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's Collected

Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.



The second passage is as follows:



". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is

made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual progress of

Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each

century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of

spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken

place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their

agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and

teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in the

form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have

done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and

healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth

century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will have

been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .

but besides a large

and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse

will find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome the

new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared

for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the

new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival . . . ."

The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.



The three passages taken together indicate that HPB was referring

to an emissary of the Masters coming in 1975 or later. These

statements by HPB would seem to rule out the messenger being Alice

Bailey or many other claimants. For a list of such claimants, see:



http://blavatskyarc hives.com/ latermessengers. htm#six



Daniel

http://hpb.cc















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