Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
Jun 09, 2009 03:14 PM
by Drpsionic
I agree. Leader is a bad word, conjuring up images of unhappy people in
uniforms marching somewhere, usually to a book burning.
Of course Theosophical history has had its moments with the word, such as
in 1936 when George Arundale wrote, in all seriousness, that the three
greatest leaders in the world were Hitler, Mussolini and Roosevelt. What
Franklin Roosevelt thought about that statement may only be speculated upon and
no doubt Stalin was annoyed at having been left out.
Chuck the Heretic
In a message dated 6/9/2009 4:59:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
henrybellak@yahoo.com writes:
But you can understand why the expression Leader is a turn of to
those who lived from say 1944 to now.
I was born in 1944 and the Great leader of Germany was still alive.
Many millions, at least 20 million people died as a result of this
great leader. What is the death count of World War Two.
Twenty million is just the lower number. Mosty likely the number
is higher.
Then there is the Great Leader, Stalin, and Mao of China.
I will not follow any Great Leader, be it Christ, Hitler, Stalin, Mao or
even Maitreya.
Theosophy is not a cult, requiring a great leader.
Henry B. Ellak
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Antonio <_spirit777child@spirit777sp_
(mailto:spirit777child@yahoo.co.uk) > wrote:
From: Antonio <_spirit777child@spirit777sp_
(mailto:spirit777child@yahoo.co.uk) >
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 1:46 PM
I work as a team leader. My role is to help my team in my company
objectives. To lead and teach are not worlds apart. As a team leader i would take
on any reccomendations or reservations with equal interest. If a member of
my team has an issue i will help them work through as my role is to lead my
team. A teacher also leads however the way he/she adminsters information
may change. In my opinion there have been both great teachers and great
leaders as there has been many negative teachers and negative leaders. Is it not
really a matter of perspective?
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Henry B. Ellak <_henrybellak@henrybell_
(mailto:henrybellak@yahoo.com) > wrote:
From: Henry B. Ellak <_henrybellak@henrybell_
(mailto:henrybellak@yahoo.com) >
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 8:38 PM
And do not forget, many Germans saw the Love flowing from Hitler. Hitler
had
Love for the German people and the people, or at least a great many did,
see
love coming from Hitler.
All this talk of waiting for a Great Leader to come and lead the people, I
find this
idea wrong.
Do you mean perhaps a great teacher? People can say no to a teacher
without being punished for it. Many who said No, to the great leader,
Hitler, were put to death. Is this what you want your Great Leader to do?
I think it is a very scary idea, this idea of following a great Leader.
Sounds
like 1984 by G. Orwell, or perhaps "Brave New World" of Huxley.
Henry B. Ellak
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Dear friends and Antonio
My views are:
Now I might misunderstand, and if so bear with me.
Because your use of words are to me quite illogical in the below quotes.
Antonio wrote:
"When i said non-existence i meant it inline of the following context and
not a physical death, however this eventuality may become a reality also!"
No. My Knowledge says something else.
And I am not assuming about this.
All Universe sprang from ParaBrahm and returns to ParaBrahm.
There is nothing but ParaBrahm. And we know this is the truth.
Talking about "non-existence" in the sense you forwarded it, I find to be
wrong.
Remember you said in the previous e-mail:
"I would have to agree. Sadly those that do not obide, those that do not
see the universal love eminating from a benvolent leader will utterly perish
into non-existence. "
The question would be if those who disbelieved Krishna or Jesus Christ was
non-existent or "dead" as you put it?
We do not say, that a tree, which is not seeing love, because it is a
tree, that it is "non-existent" or "dead". Do we?
Yet we know a tree on its fruits.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
I speak of the time when the world leader arrives to greet humanity. A
process will begin in which good and evil will finally be seperated. Those
that fail to take on the benevolent teachings of the world teacher will fall
to the waste side. Those that adhear to his teachings will move forward in
their spiritual evolution. This is what i meant by what i said and by no
means was a personal attack on any individual, simply an accumilated
perspective based on the the knowledge of end time prophecies i have digested over
time.
When i said non-existence i meant it inline of the following context and
not a physical death, however this eventuality may become a reality also!
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger,who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapt in awe, is as good as
dead." Albert Einstein
Peace and blessings
Antonio.
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 2:02 AM
I can only say, that I have no leader, and """"I will not utterly perish
into non-existence" ""!
Antonio. are you really saying, that myself and others, who do not have a
leader,
will utterly perish into non-existence? I may be reading you wrong as I
have been
away from this list for a while.
However, I do not believe in the leader principle, I have no leader and I
am 64 years old.
I have not perished into non-existence by not having a leader.
end Henry B. Ellak
--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
From: Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:43 PM
I would have to agree. Sadly those that do not obide, those that do not
see the universal love eminating from a benvolent leader will utterly perish
into non-existence.
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, 8 June, 2009, 10:37 PM
Dear friends
My views are:
"People are always looking for leaders; that does not mean that this is
the time for a leader. The problems that a leader would be able to resolve
have not been identified. Nor does the clamor mean that those who cry out are
suitable followers. Most of the people who demand a leader seem to have
some baby's idea of what a leader should do. The idea that a leader will walk
in and we will all recognize him and follow him and everybody will be
happy strikes me as a strangely immature atavism. Most of these people, I
believe, want not a leader but excitement. I doubt that those who cry the
loudest would obey a leader if there was one. Talk is cheap, and a lot of the
talk comes from millions of old washerwomen. " (Idries Shah)
The Law of Karma is not bending it self down in front of ignorance.
M. Sufilight
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