Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00145)

You already know how.  It is a simple matter of meditating and letting  the 
information in.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:04:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 


Well beam me up Scottie - I would like to know how to access  it?

Cass

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>From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) " 
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
>To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
>Sent:  Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 2:56:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re:  Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion  2
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>Oh dear. I have to put on my  mad scientist hat and be Uncle Chuckie for a 
 
>moment.
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>The important thing to understand is that there  are no secrets. I mean 
>that quite literally. The moment something is  known, the consciousness 
that 
>knows it automatically puts that  information out in the ether, as it 
were. 
>(The whole mechanism is a  bit complicted for an email but Dean Radin has 
>done some very good  work describing it.) That information can then be 
>accessed by  literally anyone with relatively little effort. Anyone who 
has any  
>experience at all in meditation can grab just about  anything.
>
>What that means in practical terms, and one uses the  term "practical" in 
>reference to anything involving the ES with some  tons of salt, is that 
the 
>supposed "occult secrets" are no more secret  than the evening news. The 
>very concept is absurd. The Dugpas do not  have to infiltrate anything 
unless 
>they are looking for a good laugh.  They have total access to everything 
>that they could want to know and  more.
>
>Chuck the Heretic
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>In a message  dated 7/6/2009 8:49:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>silva_cass@silva_cass@<WBR>ya
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>Depending on their  level they would probably be aware of this knowledge - 
>e.g. let's say,  Leadbeater who learned of this knowledge and then 
succumed 
>to vain  glory, one could say that he as a newly recruited dugpa would 
have a  
>fair insight into the laws of nature etc. given out by the Masters.  
>
>If we take a look at the evidence presented it seems that if a  dugpa was 
>operating through the TS there most likely avenue of  mischief would be to 
>cause misinformation on the teachings, the main  aim being to cause a lack 
of 
>credibility of those  teachings.
>
>IMO, which has no solid evidence, the more  disharmony these dugpas create 
>the more energy they have to work with,  however, I believe they are 
limited 
>in these powers and should  humanity turn the corner in compassion and 
>understanding they would  have nothing to work with. As far as a war in 
heaven 
>between the white  brotherhood and the shadow brotherhood, I believe, will 
>never occur,  they are limited, the white brotherhood is not, but in order 
to 
>work  with our energy, and because of karma, we(humanity) need to change 
>our  thinking and turn away from materialism. Although I do not mean by 
this  
>that we should all adorn ourselves in sackcloth and begging bowls!  lol
>
>Cass
>
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>>From: robert_b_macd  <_robert.b.macdonal_robert.b.macdonal<WB
>(mailto:robert.(mailto:robert.<WBR>b.macd>
>>To:  _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To:  _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 11:06:47 AM
>>Subject:  Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion  2
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>>That  begs the question, what could clever dugpas do with the information 
 
>released through the ES? What, perhaps, have they already  done?
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>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva  <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps it is  as simple as thinking that a pledge is a precautionary 
>act - a hope  that if certain knowledge is given out that this knowledge 
will 
>not be  used for selfish rather than altruistic reasons. There have been  
>certain scientists in the past that have intuitively known, eg Keely,  
that 
>if what he learnt was given out freely to the world this  knowledge could 
be 
>used to destroy humanity. I guess in science one  cannot surround the 
truth 
>in parable or allegory.
>>>  
>>> Cass
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  >
>>> >From: Anand <AnandGholap@ ...>
>>>  >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>> >Sent: Monday, 6 July,  2009 4:36:33 AM
>>> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing  Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>>  >
>>> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robert_b_macd"  
><robert.b.macdonalrobert> wrote:
>>>  >>
>>> >> 
>>> >> Dear  Anand,
>>> >> 
>>> >> I missed answering  one question that you had. You asked where the 
>higher self comes into  this pledge. The pledge is ended with the words 
"So 
>Help Me, My Higher  Self." The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, 
and 
>occult  forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back 
to  
>sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however  many 
>lifetimes it takes. It is a serious pledge.
>>>  >> 
>>> >
>>> >Jerry told that ES members  under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow 
>Mrs. Radha. Words used in  current pledge are not the Outer Head or 
Masters. 
>Does that mean their  souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many 
lifetimes?
>>>  >
>>> >You wrote:
>>> >"The Higher Self is  made witness to the pledge, and occult forces 
from 
>your Higher Self  are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you 
>either succeed  or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it 
>takes."  
>>> >How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently) ",  when he 
would 
>be trying again if he fails?
>>>  >
>>> >You wrote:
>>> >> Regardless, as I  do not see a binding pledge as being necessary for 
>a reformed ES, the  second part of this clause could be done away with, 
and 
>the pledge  would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
>>> >>  
>>> >
>>> >You don't need separate ES  organization for taking such a pledge. One 
>can sign the pledge of  following moral guidelines, keep it with himself 
or 
>send it to the HQ  and they will file it. May be it is better to keep 
>secrecy regarding  who made such a pledge.
>>> >Divisions get created in TS when  you form a separate Esoteric 
Section. 
>Politics and other evils enter  due to creation of such separate Section.
>>>  >Best
>>> >Anand Gholap
>>> >
>>>  >
>>> >
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