Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00146)

It never was in the bag to begin with.
 
Chuck the heretic
 
 
In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:11:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 


Yep, that is what I wrote a couple of weeks ago.  The cat was let out  of 
the bag 50 years ago.

Cass

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>From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) " 
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
>To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
>Sent:  Thursday, 9 July, 2009 2:35:59 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic  mirrors!!!
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>Really, none of this  stuff is a great secret. All the techniques have 
>been published long  ago.
>
>Chuck the Heretic
>
>
>In a message  dated 7/8/2009 9:04:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>silva_cass@silva_cass@<WBR>ya
>
>When Anand talks  about a democracy what he is really wanting is a benign 
>dictator (and  preferably one who has his ear) If the net goes down we 
would 
>either  revert back to weekly meetings, walk-ins off the street or for us  
>oldies, study autonomously and communicate via snail mail or  fax.
>
>There is no theosophical reason why the Masters and their  disciples could 
>not work through the astral. I read that way back in  1888, KH mentioned 
in 
>one of his letters that he had far more  important work to do regarding 
>China than spending wasted hours trying  to convince Hume of one thing or  
>another.
>
>Cass
>
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>>From:  Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_  
>(mailto:global-(mailto:global-<WBR>theos>
>>To:  _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To:  _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 2:38:46 AM
>>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Chucks magic  mirrors!!!
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>>Now,  if the central Server starts to blush too much because it gets  
>infected with a non-theosophical worm with a red hat, I think we will  
have to 
>modify the situation or at least clean some of the mirrors so  to avoid 
the 
>"flu" from sprading so to speak.  :-)
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From:  Drpsionic@aol. com 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:19 PM
>>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Chucks magic mirrors!!!
>>
>>I'm  blushing.
>>
>>Chuck the Heretic
>>
>>In a  message dated 7/8/2009 10:11:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>>monad_monad_ monad@yahoo. com writes:
>>
>>This  description of the magic mirrors may sound a little far out to some 
 
>>but it describes in a somewhat cryptic and simplified way how the  
>advanced 
>>members of a spiritual group telepathically work  on the inner planes 
>>amongst themselves. In this way they bypass  all this personality 
>crap-o-la. 
>>Highly developed minds  that may have left there bodies and are no longer 
>>hindered by time  and space as we understand it. 
>>In fact the net and the modern  information highway may be a stepped down 
>>version of that work  that will require many cycles to develop and 
>perfect. 
>>Then  theosophy will not be here or there but EVERYWHERE. Chuck who's 
>heresy  
>>is more in the nature of a series of zen parables is right on in  so much 
>of 
>>what he posts.
>>No one with any real  background in Theosophical studies can take what is 
>>often posted  on a number of these different Theosophical websites  
>seriously.
>>If I get the drift of Chucks many humorous and  satirical post there is 
>>a lot of wisdom in just going to the  source and bypassing all this 
>nonsense 
>>that tries to pass  for serious Theosophy. In fact this description of 
>>Chucks outline  of a Master computer and all the connecting mirrors may 
>>parallel  and be a good description of how the Masters work with there 
>advanced  
>>students or disciples in the ether's.
>>Keep up the good  work Chuck your heresy keeps the world alive and its 
>many  
>>children from following asleep and going completely  comatose.
>>Blessings Duane.
>>
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>>From: "_Augoeides- 222@Augoeides-  2_ (mailto:Augoeides- From: 
"_Augoeides- 
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>>To:  _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@  
yahoog
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:16:01 AM
>>Subject:  Re: Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs Theosophical  Autonomy
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>>MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALLLLL WHO IS THE  THEOSOPHIST BEST OF 
>>ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL ???????????  
>>
>>(Large cracking sound---followed by the sound of  tinkling glass hitting 
>>the floor!!!! Lol!)  
>>
>>John 
>>----- Original Message -----  
>>From: Drpsionic@aol. com 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro  ups.com 
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:39:37 PM GMT -08:00  US/Canada Pacific 
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Democracy  vs Theosophical Autonomy 
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>>Ok, this is going to get a  bit off the wall sounding but it has been 
done 
>>in occult history.  Let us take the scenario that the internet goes down 
>>and stays  down, as unlikely as it seems. We have a method of 
>communication  
>>that is virtually unstoppable- -the old, reliable magic mirror.  
>>
>>Using the net as a good analogy to how it would work,  you have a storage 
>>field, a big thoughtform if you will, that acts  as the central server. 
>The 
>>mirrors are all linked to the  server by the will of their operators. So, 
>>whenever anyone wants  to get a message out to one's fellow Theosophists, 
>>one  
>>need only meditate on the message and put it into his mirror. It  then 
>goes 
>>automatically to the server and out to everyone  else through their 
>>mirrors. 
>>
>>Sounds weird?  Read the description of the Shrine Room HPB had built in 
>>the  London Lodge. They were working with some interesting stuff back 
>then.  
>>
>>Chuck the Heretic 
>>
>>In a message  dated 7/7/2009 8:45:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>>robert.b.macdonalrobert.b.macdonal<WBR<  WBR
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>>A few more thoughts . . .  
>>
>>This discussion seems to be getting hung up on the  theory that a truly 
>>democratic Society would solve our problems,  or it is argued on the 
other 
>>hand 
>>that we do not even  need a Society, theosophy has been disseminated in 
>the  
>>West, and we need only study what we all have access to. It is  argued 
>that 
>>the internet can be the tie that binds us all.  
>>
>>Theosophy does not exist in a vacuum, it is a  reflection of the world 
>>around us and we again are reflected into  that world. Chuck pointed out 
>>one of 
>>the deeper  truths, that being, knowledge gets reflected into the ether 
>and  
>>then over time is reflected back into us, informing us all. I have  often 
>>thought, that if the TS could discover a new way to govern  itself, then 
>>perhaps this would signal that the world is on the  verge of doing the 
>>same. 
>>Theosophy was introduced to  the West in order to lead thought in new 
>>directions  
>>and have that thought evolve our institutions. In order to do that  we 
>>don't have to be noticed by everyone, if Chuck is right, as  soon as we 
>>change 
>>that will seed the crystal, if you  like, of change all around us. 
>>
>>Cass has brought up the  whole issue of autonomy. Right now, if you are 
>not  
>>surrounded by a like minded group of theosophists who are going to  allow 
>>you to develop along lines you feel are right, the best  thing to do is 
>>study 
>>alone, and perhaps interact with  others half-way around the globe on the 
>>internet and do the best  you can in these spiritually dark times. Who 
can 
>>argue with that?  We are talking about change here and it certainly does 
>>not  
>>seem like people, theosophists included, are open to real change.  
>>
>>On the other hand Anand is suggesting that a true  democracy will solve 
>all 
>>of our problems. Democracy is the  silver bullet that will slay the beast 
>>of totalitarianism. But  what is it and how is it going to work? Some say 
>>that the TS began  as the most democratic of institutions but look at it 
>>now.  
>>If India, Pakistan, and other developing Nations are allowed to  achieve 
>>economic power, then they will learn that democracy is no  protection. 
Ask 
>>any 
>>educated individual from the West  about democracy, and if they think 
>about 
>>it for even a few  moments, they will have to admit that in any election 
>>they  
>>have ever voted in, they invariably have voted for the individual  that 
>>they have disliked the least. Populist leaders like Obama are  rare, and 
>>when 
>>they do achieve power their voting  records are no less corrupt than all 
>>the 
>>rest. It is  not enough to claim that democracy is the panacea, we need 
to 
>>know  the details. 
>>
>>How can a Society remain democratic when  it invariably has to struggle 
>>with an uneducated and apathetic  electorate. Who in this group knew 
>>anything 
>>about the  by-laws of the Society to which they belong before this last  
>>election? Those who do not belong to the Adyar Society, who among  you 
>know 
>>anything about your Societies' bylaws now?  Democracy is nothing without 
>an 
>>informed and engaged  electorate. The problem is not about re-instituting 
>>democracy, it  is about re-inventing the electorate, how do you do that? 
>>Again,  the 
>>answer Cass gives seems to be ringing loud now, you wait until  they are 
>>born. But what if they are out there now, waiting for a  form of 
>government 
>>that will inform them and engage them.  What would the nature of that 
>>government be? Change has never come  before the idea, how could it? 
>>
>>What happens if  governments take the internet away tomorrow, or limit it 
>>in such  ways that you dare not speak your mind or relate to others of  
>>similar mind? Then where will the TS be? We will be stuck with a  TS 
>>leadership 
>>that is probably a reflection of the  government leaders that took away 
>the 
>>internet or we will  be totally autonomous reading and studying theosophy 
>>under  
>>a dim lamp in a dark basement. The governments will still be  democratic, 
>>you can either vote for this tool of the unseen power  or that tool of 
the 
>>unseen power. 
>>
>>I  suspect it is important that theosophists think about these questions, 
 
>>because if we can figure them out, perhaps humanity would be ready  to 
>>follow. 
>>
>>Robert Bruce  
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