Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00165)

Have you had a spiritual awakening????

Cass


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>From: "Drpsionic@aol.com" <Drpsionic@aol.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 12:26:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>You already know how. It is a simple matter of meditating and letting the 
>information in.
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>Chuck the Heretic
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>In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:04:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
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>Well beam me up Scottie - I would like to know how to access it?
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>Cass
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>>From: "_Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol. com) " 
><_Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol. com) >
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 2:56:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>Oh dear. I have to put on my mad scientist hat and be Uncle Chuckie for a 
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>>moment.
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>>The important thing to understand is that there are no secrets. I mean 
>>that quite literally. The moment something is known, the consciousness 
>that 
>>knows it automatically puts that information out in the ether, as it 
>were. 
>>(The whole mechanism is a bit complicted for an email but Dean Radin has 
>>done some very good work describing it.) That information can then be 
>>accessed by literally anyone with relatively little effort. Anyone who 
>has any 
>>experience at all in meditation can grab just about anything.
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>>What that means in practical terms, and one uses the term "practical" in 
>>reference to anything involving the ES with some tons of salt, is that 
>the 
>>supposed "occult secrets" are no more secret than the evening news. The 
>>very concept is absurd. The Dugpas do not have to infiltrate anything 
>unless 
>>they are looking for a good laugh. They have total access to everything 
>>that they could want to know and more.
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>>Chuck the Heretic
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>>In a message dated 7/6/2009 8:49:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>silva_cass@ silva_cass@ <WBR>ya
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>>Depending on their level they would probably be aware of this knowledge - 
>>e.g. let's say, Leadbeater who learned of this knowledge and then 
>succumed 
>>to vain glory, one could say that he as a newly recruited dugpa would 
>have a 
>>fair insight into the laws of nature etc. given out by the Masters. 
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>>If we take a look at the evidence presented it seems that if a dugpa was 
>>operating through the TS there most likely avenue of mischief would be to 
>>cause misinformation on the teachings, the main aim being to cause a lack 
>of 
>>credibility of those teachings.
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>>IMO, which has no solid evidence, the more disharmony these dugpas create 
>>the more energy they have to work with, however, I believe they are 
>limited 
>>in these powers and should humanity turn the corner in compassion and 
>>understanding they would have nothing to work with. As far as a war in 
>heaven 
>>between the white brotherhood and the shadow brotherhood, I believe, will 
>>never occur, they are limited, the white brotherhood is not, but in order 
>to 
>>work with our energy, and because of karma, we(humanity) need to change 
>>our thinking and turn away from materialism. Although I do not mean by 
>this 
>>that we should all adorn ourselves in sackcloth and begging bowls! lol
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>>Cass
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>>>From: robert_b_macd <_robert.b.macdonal _robert.b. macdonal< WB
>>(mailto:robert. (mailto:robert. <WBR>b.macd>
>>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 11:06:47 AM
>>>Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>>That begs the question, what could clever dugpas do with the information 
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>>released through the ES? What, perhaps, have they already done?
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>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
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>>>> Perhaps it is as simple as thinking that a pledge is a precautionary 
>>act - a hope that if certain knowledge is given out that this knowledge 
>will 
>>not be used for selfish rather than altruistic reasons. There have been 
>>certain scientists in the past that have intuitively known, eg Keely, 
>that 
>>if what he learnt was given out freely to the world this knowledge could 
>be 
>>used to destroy humanity. I guess in science one cannot surround the 
>truth 
>>in parable or allegory.
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>>>> Cass
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>>>> >From: Anand <AnandGholap@ ...>
>>>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>> >Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 4:36:33 AM
>>>> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>>> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robert_b_macd" 
>><robert.b.macdonal robert> wrote:
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>>>> >> Dear Anand,
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>>>> >> I missed answering one question that you had. You asked where the 
>>higher self comes into this pledge. The pledge is ended with the words 
>"So 
>>Help Me, My Higher Self." The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, 
>and 
>>occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back 
>to 
>>sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many 
>>lifetimes it takes. It is a serious pledge.
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>>>> >Jerry told that ES members under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow 
>>Mrs. Radha. Words used in current pledge are not the Outer Head or 
>Masters. 
>>Does that mean their souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many 
>lifetimes?
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>>>> >You wrote:
>>>> >"The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces 
>from 
>>your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you 
>>either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it 
>>takes." 
>>>> >How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently) ", when he 
>would 
>>be trying again if he fails?
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>>>> >You wrote:
>>>> >> Regardless, as I do not see a binding pledge as being necessary for 
>>a reformed ES, the second part of this clause could be done away with, 
>and 
>>the pledge would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
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>>>> >You don't need separate ES organization for taking such a pledge. One 
>>can sign the pledge of following moral guidelines, keep it with himself 
>or 
>>send it to the HQ and they will file it. May be it is better to keep 
>>secrecy regarding who made such a pledge.
>>>> >Divisions get created in TS when you form a separate Esoteric 
>Section. 
>>Politics and other evils enter due to creation of such separate Section.
>>>> >Best
>>>> >Anand Gholap
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