Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
Jul 12, 2009 09:09 PM
by Cass Silva
That's a very noble attitude coming from a heretic! I'm well impressed.
Cass
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>From: "Drpsionic@aol.com" <Drpsionic@aol.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:41:40 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>It really does not matter who claims to be the source. What matters is
>that the idea is out there.
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>Chuck the Heretic
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>In a message dated 7/11/2009 9:21:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
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>Until some other jerk steals our idea as his own!
>
>Cass
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>>From: "_Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol. com) "
><_Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol. com) >
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com)
>>Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:06:14 AM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>People heal lepers (Hanson's Disease) with antibiotics.
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>>Physical presence gets in the way of the teacher. It is much more
>>efficient to simply put the ideas out into the mahatmasphere and let
>people pick
>>up on them. And people are far more willing to accept an idea that they
>>think is their own rather than someone else's.
>>
>>Chuck the Heretic
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>>In a message dated 7/11/2009 5:47:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>Mvandertak@ Mvandertak@ <WBR>yahoo.
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>>So people are healing the lepers in their heads then? Whats wrong with
>>being physically present?
>>
>>--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@
>global-thgl_
>>(mailto:global- (mailto:global- <WBR>theos> wrote:
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>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_
>>(mailto:global- (mailto:global- <WBR>theosophy>
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:04 PM
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>>Chuck said:
>>"I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of teachers as
>>identifiable
>>agents altogether."
>>
>>Yes, when they are used as a publicity-stunt.
>>Idries Shah has told clearly about it:
>>__http://www.katinkah _ (http://www.katinkah /) _http://wwhttp: _
>(http://wwhttp: /) //wwhttp: //wwwhttp_
>>(_http://www.katinkah _ (http://www.katinkah /) esselink. net/sufi/
>sufi-shah. html)
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>>The truth Guru's which are not physically known can be and are important.
>>Most New Age Guru's and even present day theosophical lecturers are only
>>average human beings, maybe bookworms or cunning orators and nothing else.
>>A tree is known on its fruits, and not on how cunning it is in cheating
>>people to believe that throwing money away is a good idea or that
>emotional
>>excitement is the spiritual highest.
>>
>>- - - - - - -
>>
>>Idries Shah said:
>>"I believe that the guru needs his disciples. If he had a sufficient
>>outlet for his desire to be a big shot or his feeling of holiness or his
>wish to
>>have others dependent on him, he wouldn't be a guru.
>>
>>I got all that out of my system very early and, consistent with Sufi
>>[theosophical] tradition, I believe that those who don't want to teach
>are the
>>ones who can and should. The West still has a vocation hang-up and has
>not
>>yet discovered this. Here, the only recognized achiever is an obsessive.
>In
>>the East we believe that a person who can't help doing a thing isn't
>>necessarily the best one to do it. A compulsive cookie baker may bake
>very bad
>>cookies. "
>>......
>>"Their followers need the guru as much as the guru needs his followers. I
>>just don't regard it as a religious operation. I take a guru to be a sort
>>of psychotherapist. At the very best, he keeps people quiet and polarized
>>around him and gives some sort of meaning to their lives."
>>......
>>"Why shouldn't there be room for what we might call "neighborhood
>>psychotherapy" - the community looking after its own? However, why it
>should be
>>called a spiritual activity rather baffles me."
>>.......
>>"Some are frankly phonies, and they don't try to hide it from me. They
>>think that I am one, too, so when we meet they begin the most disturbing
>>conversations. They want to know how I get money, how I control people,
>and so
>>on."
>>......
>>"They actually feel there is something wrong with what they are doing,
>and
>>they feel better if they talk to somebody else who is doing it. I always
>>tell them that I think it would be much better if they gave up the guru
>role
>>in their own minds and realize that they are providing a perfectly good
>>social service."
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>>- - -
>>The question is if the above words are what the beginners at TS Adyar or
>>other theosophical groups are greeted with???
>>
>>M. Sufilight
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>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: _Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@ From: _Drpsion
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:40 AM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>Hmmm, let's see. Ghandi never faced a real opponent, Stalin would have
>>had him for lunch and Mother Theresa was a ghoul who fed off the energies
>>of
>>the dying. I don't know what they were teaching but it ain't anything I
>>would want to learn.
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>>I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of teachers as
>identifiable
>>agents altogether.
>>
>>Chuck the Heretic
>>
>>In a message dated 7/10/2009 10:22:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>_silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mailto:silva_ _silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mai
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>>So you are saying that World Teachers are known by their actions rather
>>than their words? If this is the case one could argue that Gandhi and
>>Mother
>>Theresa were world teachers.
>>
>>I suppose one can walk with world teachers or one can walk behind them.
>>A spiritual evolved soul is probably on the way to being his/her own
>world
>>teacher.
>>
>>Cass
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>>>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 2:48:56 PM
>>>Subject: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>>Ok. The World Teacher thing is fun but the truth is that Theosophist
>have
>>>been flying the wrong carpet on it since the idea floated out of Annie
>>and
>>>the Bishop's hats.
>>>
>>>First, there really has never been an identifiable person who could be
>>>considered a "World Teacher" who had any serious impact in his lifetime.
>>The
>>>Buddha was just another local nutcase and Jesus got himself killed. So
>>>this business about finding out who the next "World Teacher" was going
>to
>>be
>>>makes about as much sense as trying to find out who will be the next
>>Michael
>>>Jackson (in the hope of aborting him before he can appear) and all the
>>fuss
>>>over whether it was Krishnamurti or Aleister Crowley or even L. Ron
>>>Hubbard is missing the point.
>>>
>>>We can ignore crooks like Sai Baba Booey and crazy old Ben Creme for the
>
>>>moment.
>>>
>>>If there were to be a world teacher, that individual would not have to
>>>appear in public at all. He could be totally obscure, sitting in his
>>living
>>>room, watching reruns of old game shows on cable, an putting the
>>information
>>>directly into the minds of the people prepared to receive it without
>them
>>>even knowing that he exists or that the information, the ideas as it
>>were,
>>>came from any source other than their own minds. The techniques are
>>>certainly simple enough. Anyone can master them in a few days. Which is
>>why the
>>>dugpa stuff is so silly. There is nothing they can do that anyone else
>>>cannot do and probably are.
>>>
>>>It is obvious that the idea of a World Teacher, wandering the earth
>>>spreading teaching to the hungry masses is a simple failure to
>understand
>>how
>>>information can be spread. It is from a mindset locked into archaic and
>>>fundamentally clumsy means of communication, voice, the written word,
>>personal
>>>appearance, even video. There is no need for any of that and one wonders
>>>why those called masters of the wisdom, who frankly do not, in
>>retrospect,
>>>seem to have been masters of much of anything but falling off their
>>flying
>>>carpets, would not have realized that.
>>>
>>>The search is a waste of time and energy. If there really is a world
>>>teacher running around loose somewhere, he has no need to be found, no
>>desire to
>>>be public. That would just get in the way and be a distraction.
>>>
>>>It is time to face reality and forget all the nonsense that has been
>>>written in the past by people who either did not know what they were
>>talking
>>>about or who had a vested interest in public ignorance.
>>>
>>>Chuck the heretic
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