Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00247)

Once Parabrahman (cause) manifested into objectification (effect) karma was born.  

Cass


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>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 4:15:32 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>The Law of Karma sprang from ParaBrahm and is therefore an illusion.
>Yet it is shown in the universe.
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>The Law of Karma transcended is ParaBrahm beyond time and thought.
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>M. Sufilight
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:57 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>You think Karma is an illusion?
>Cass
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>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 4:58:40 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>But the Law of Karma is a reality even if it is an illusion?
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>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Drpsionic@aol. com 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:40 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>Free will is an illusion of Maya.
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>>Chuck the Heretic
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>>In a message dated 7/11/2009 4:23:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>Mvandertak@ yahoo. com writes:
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>>So you force nature to work on them? No free will/choice?
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>>--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_ 
>>(mailto:global- theosophy@ stofanet. dk) > wrote:
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>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_ 
>>(mailto:global- theosophy@ stofanet. dk) >
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:50 PM
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>>Through Extra Sensory Perception.
>>Thoughts are after all not dependant on physical activities.
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>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Martin 
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>How are you ever gonna teach them anything then?
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>>--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_ 
>>(mailto:global- theosophy@ stofanet. dk) > wrote:
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>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_ 
>>(mailto:global- theosophy@ stofanet. dk) >
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 1:04 PM
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>>The same as the fact that talking or writing is performed on a lower level 
>>than thinking.
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>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Martin 
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:47 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>So people are healing the lepers in their heads then? Whats wrong with 
>>being physically present?
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>>--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_ 
>>(mailto:global- theosophy@ stofanet. dk) > wrote:
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>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_ 
>>(mailto:global- theosophy@ stofanet. dk) >
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:04 PM
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>>Chuck said:
>>"I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of teachers as 
>>identifiable 
>>agents altogether."
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>>Yes, when they are used as a publicity-stunt.
>>Idries Shah has told clearly about it:
>>_http://www.katinkah http://wwhttp: //wwhttp: //wwwhttp_ 
>>(http://www.katinkah esselink. net/sufi/ sufi-shah. html) 
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>>The truth Guru's which are not physically known can be and are important. 
>>Most New Age Guru's and even present day theosophical lecturers are only 
>>average human beings, maybe bookworms or cunning orators and nothing else.
>>A tree is known on its fruits, and not on how cunning it is in cheating 
>>people to believe that throwing money away is a good idea or that emotional 
>>excitement is the spiritual highest.
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>>Idries Shah said:
>>"I believe that the guru needs his disciples. If he had a sufficient 
>>outlet for his desire to be a big shot or his feeling of holiness or his wish to 
>>have others dependent on him, he wouldn't be a guru. 
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>>I got all that out of my system very early and, consistent with Sufi 
>>[theosophical] tradition, I believe that those who don't want to teach are the 
>>ones who can and should. The West still has a vocation hang-up and has not 
>>yet discovered this. Here, the only recognized achiever is an obsessive. In 
>>the East we believe that a person who can't help doing a thing isn't 
>>necessarily the best one to do it. A compulsive cookie baker may bake very bad 
>>cookies. "
>>......
>>"Their followers need the guru as much as the guru needs his followers. I 
>>just don't regard it as a religious operation. I take a guru to be a sort 
>>of psychotherapist. At the very best, he keeps people quiet and polarized 
>>around him and gives some sort of meaning to their lives."
>>......
>>"Why shouldn't there be room for what we might call "neighborhood 
>>psychotherapy" - the community looking after its own? However, why it should be 
>>called a spiritual activity rather baffles me."
>>.......
>>"Some are frankly phonies, and they don't try to hide it from me. They 
>>think that I am one, too, so when we meet they begin the most disturbing 
>>conversations. They want to know how I get money, how I control people, and so 
>>on."
>>......
>>"They actually feel there is something wrong with what they are doing, and 
>>they feel better if they talk to somebody else who is doing it. I always 
>>tell them that I think it would be much better if they gave up the guru role 
>>in their own minds and realize that they are providing a perfectly good 
>>social service."
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>>The question is if the above words are what the beginners at TS Adyar or 
>>other theosophical groups are greeted with???
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>>M. Sufilight
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>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: _Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@ aol. com) 
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:40 AM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>Hmmm, let's see. Ghandi never faced a real opponent, Stalin would have 
>>had him for lunch and Mother Theresa was a ghoul who fed off the energies 
>>of 
>>the dying. I don't know what they were teaching but it ain't anything I 
>>would want to learn.
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>>I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of teachers as identifiable 
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>>agents altogether.
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>>Chuck the Heretic
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>>In a message dated 7/10/2009 10:22:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>_silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mailto:silva_ cass@yahoo. com) writes:
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>>So you are saying that World Teachers are known by their actions rather 
>>than their words? If this is the case one could argue that Gandhi and 
>>Mother 
>>Theresa were world teachers.
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>>I suppose one can walk with world teachers or one can walk behind them. 
>>A spiritual evolved soul is probably on the way to being his/her own world 
>>teacher.
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>>Cass
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>>>From: "__Drpsionic@ aol._Dr_ (mailto:_Drpsionic@ aol. Drp) _ 
>>(mailto:_Drpsionic @aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@ aol. com) ) " 
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>>>To: _theos-talk@ To: _theos-talTo: _theos-_theos- talk@yahoogrothe os-t_ 
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>>>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 2:48:56 PM
>>>Subject: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>>Ok. The World Teacher thing is fun but the truth is that Theosophist have 
>>>been flying the wrong carpet on it since the idea floated out of Annie 
>>and 
>>>the Bishop's hats. 
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>>>First, there really has never been an identifiable person who could be 
>>>considered a "World Teacher" who had any serious impact in his lifetime. 
>>The 
>>>Buddha was just another local nutcase and Jesus got himself killed. So 
>>>this business about finding out who the next "World Teacher" was going to 
>>be 
>>>makes about as much sense as trying to find out who will be the next 
>>Michael 
>>>Jackson (in the hope of aborting him before he can appear) and all the 
>>fuss 
>>>over whether it was Krishnamurti or Aleister Crowley or even L. Ron 
>>>Hubbard is missing the point.
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>>>We can ignore crooks like Sai Baba Booey and crazy old Ben Creme for the 
>>>moment.
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>>>If there were to be a world teacher, that individual would not have to 
>>>appear in public at all. He could be totally obscure, sitting in his 
>>living 
>>>room, watching reruns of old game shows on cable, an putting the 
>>information 
>>>directly into the minds of the people prepared to receive it without them 
>>>even knowing that he exists or that the information, the ideas as it 
>>were, 
>>>came from any source other than their own minds. The techniques are 
>>>certainly simple enough. Anyone can master them in a few days. Which is 
>>why the 
>>>dugpa stuff is so silly. There is nothing they can do that anyone else 
>>>cannot do and probably are.
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>>>It is obvious that the idea of a World Teacher, wandering the earth 
>>>spreading teaching to the hungry masses is a simple failure to understand 
>>how 
>>>information can be spread. It is from a mindset locked into archaic and 
>>>fundamentally clumsy means of communication, voice, the written word, 
>>personal 
>>>appearance, even video. There is no need for any of that and one wonders 
>>>why those called masters of the wisdom, who frankly do not, in 
>>retrospect, 
>>>seem to have been masters of much of anything but falling off their 
>>flying 
>>>carpets, would not have realized that. 
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>>>The search is a waste of time and energy. If there really is a world 
>>>teacher running around loose somewhere, he has no need to be found, no 
>>desire to 
>>>be public. That would just get in the way and be a distraction.
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>>>It is time to face reality and forget all the nonsense that has been 
>>>written in the past by people who either did not know what they were 
>>talking 
>>>about or who had a vested interest in public ignorance.
>>>
>>>Chuck the heretic
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