Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00107)

Looking at the past, great changes were brought by individuals.

I represent only myself.


MKR

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

>
>
> Thank you for your answer.
> But, that did not really answer all of my questions.
> Has there been any official words in print etc. about this from the TS
> leaders?
>
> Well I ask, unless you as a Heretic will claim to be an representative.
> :-)
>
>
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> From: Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic%40aol.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political
> involvements
>
> yes, the Theosophical Society was seriously entangled in politics during
> the Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why it is avoided like the plague
>
> now.
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
> www.charlescosimano.com
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2009 1:40:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk> writes:
>
> Dear friends
>
> My views are:
>
> I have learned that is one does not ask any questions...I have learned
> that is one does not
>
> So now I will ask this our forum with all its members, among which at
> least some can be called Seekers After Truth and Wisdom, aiming for an
> Universal Brotherhood and Sisterhood.
>
> 1.
> I will ask about where is the stance on politics today in the Theosophical
> Society, and to what extend are members and the President of the
> Theosophical Society allowed to involve himself or herself with political
> activities
> and political dispuites?
>
> 2.
> Second.
>
> ...Was The Theosophical Society entangled with politics when Annie Besant
> was leader of the Theosophical Society, leader of The Esoteric Section, and
>
> President of The Indian National Congress in 1917?
>
> I will say, that the following speech perhaos would be a good idea to keep
> in mind, before answering this question. I give a minor excerpt of it in
> the below.
>
> The Preidential Address Delivered By
> ANNIE BESANT
> At The Thirty Second Indian
> National Congress
> Held At Calcutta
> 26th December 1917
> "The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation has been
> drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which has been
> established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of Governments
> to
> forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as a
> politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For
> the true
> object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and
> the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure foundations
> the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every Nation, and
> the similar right of the Individual, of the smaller Self, so far as is
> consistent with the welfare of the larger Self of the Nation. The forces
> which
> make for the prolongation of autocracy-the rule of one-and the even
> deadlier
> bureaucracy-"The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation
>
> has been drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which
> has been established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of
> Governments to forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not
> as
> a politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For
>
> the true object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy,
> autocracy and the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on
> sure
> foundations the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every
> Nation, and the similar right of the I
> Autocracy and bureaucracy must perish utterly, in East and West, and, in
> order that their germs may not re-sprout in the future, they must be
> discredited in the minds of men. They must be proved to be less efficient
> than the
> Governments of Free Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and
> their iron machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and
> success-must be
> shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and flexible
> organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved failures before
> the
> world, so that the glamour of superficial successes may be destroyed for
> ever.
> They have had their day and their place in evolution, and have done their
> educative work. Now they are out-of-date, unfit for survival, and must
> vanish
> away."
> .......
> "Since 1885, the Congress has constantly protested against the
> ever-increasing military expenditure, but the voice of the Congress was
> supposed to be
> the voice of sedition and of class ambition, instead of being, as it was
> the voice of educated Indians, the most truly patriotic and loyal class of
> the population."
> .......
> "LOSS OF BELIEF IN THE SUPERIORITY OF WHITE RACES
>
> The undermining of this belief dates from the spreading of the Arya Samaj
> and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies sought to lead the Indian people
> to a sense of the value of their own civilisation, to pride in their past,
> creating self-respect in the present, and self-confidence in the future.
> They destroyed the unhealthy inclination to imitate the West in all things,
>
> and taught discrimination, the using only of what was valuable in western
> thought and culture, instead of a mere slavish copying of everything.
> Another
> great force was that of Swami Vivekananda, alike in his passionate love
> and admiration for India, and his exposure of the evils resulting from
> Materialism in the West. "
> .......
> "In the adapted words of a Christian Scripture, it passionately cries:
> "What shall it profit a Nation if it gain the whole world and lose its own
> Soul? What shall a Nation give in exchange for its Soul?" "
> .......
> "This may seem strong language, because the plain truth is not usually put
> in India. But this is what every Briton feels in Britain for his own
> country, and what every Indian should feel in India for his. This is the
> Freedom
> for which the Allies are fighting; this is Democracy, the Spirit of the
> Age. "
> .......
> "And from_ that union shall arise the mightiest Empire, or rather
> Commonwealth, that the world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in God's
> good
> time, shall put an end to War."
>
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> 3.
> Third.
> Is it fair to say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009 still is
> entangled with politics because it still highlights Annie Besant as a great
>
> spiritual leader?
>
> Seeking the Truth
>
> M. Sufilight
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