Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00202)

Dear Keith,

Well, the efforts in all these pages -- as you call them -- are to see the truth for oneself. I do not know if you know that there are things one cannot seek privately, for they are issues relating to the entire Movement and its principal Office-bearers....and often the private questioning ends up with responses like "ignoring" or "why do you need to get involved in this, Preethi?"

Most of what I have written in these pages are based on my own experiences in and at Adyar. But, each of these experiences, when shared with fellow travelers in forums such as TheosTalk pave the way -- at least for me -- to gain a better and wider understanding, which understanding is necessary for growth and for union.

I hope they have been so for everyone else who has been involved in this process of sharing, blaming, finding fault, criticizing, learning, understanding....

I think as long as it all ends up in furthering our understanding of each other and where we relate from, both to each other and to the TS, the bringing up of excrescences is really no more than a matter of seeing that there is a speck of dirt on the body, acknowledging that that speck needs to be cleaned and then taking the steps to clean it by bathing it with the fresh waters....of understanding...and love...

While, on the other hand, ignoring that the speck exists only paves the way for more and more dirt to collect around that speck....

Warmest regards and thank you once again for being a channel for opening my eyes.

Preethi
--- On Mon, 28/12/09, Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues -  Contradictions & Question that
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 28 December, 2009, 1:42 PM

Dear Preethi



Thank you for those kind words. I can assure you that there

was no corruption or deception taking place when I was

working at Adyar. If you really do seek the truth, I suggest

that you always do your own investigation, and donât listen

to anybody who would poison your mind.



I have been very sad to see what you have been writing in

these pages. You are a beautiful person. Why not Shine?



Keith


On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear Keith,
>
> Thank you for clarifying everything. As always, I appreciate your honesty.
>
> Also, thank you for patiently bearing up with my detailed questions, posed
> solely in order to clarify the matter and the situation and intrigue
> surrounding the President, her election and various matters that arose after
> the election.
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
>
> --- On Mon, 28/12/09, Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com <exsecy%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com <exsecy%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues -
> Contradictions & Question that
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 28 December, 2009, 9:48 AM
>
>
> Preethi
>
> I donât know why false rumours are started by those who
>
> donât like the result of the elections, you will have to ask
>
> the people concerned. I can only relate the truth of what
>
> actually happened.
>
> The previous Vice President, as a member of the General
>
> Council, received notification by email that a new VP had
>
> been nominated on 20 September 2008, and he cast a vote
>
> in the election by email two days later.
>
> There is no contradiction of terms in what I have stated, the
>
> VP election concluded on 20 October 2008 and the result
>
> was first communicated to the members of the General
>
> Council and later to members throughout the world in the
>
> December issue of The Theosophist.
>
> The result of the election was again reported at the GC
>
> meeting along with all the other elections. The President
>
> agreed to the voting slips being scrutinized in order to console
>
> members of the GC who did not trust the result and had asked
>
> to see the ballot papers. However, it was the votes that had
>
> already been cast by members of the GC that confirmed or
>
> rejected a nominated candidate, the scrutiny of ballot papers
>
> only confirmed that the count was correct and that there had
>
> been no corruption or deception.
>
> You will have to address the first three of your numbered
>
> questions to the members concerned, I cannot answer for
>
> them. The rights of a member to vote in a Presidential
>
> election is not an issue at this time, the Draft Proposals to
>
> change the rules were not discussed at the GC meeting.
>
> Consequently, no rule is in the process of being changed,
>
> and the rights of members to vote has been preserved.
>
> Keith
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, preethi muthiah
> <seeker_preethi@yahoo.com <seeker_preethi%40yahoo.com>>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Keith,
> >
> > Trust you are doing well. My replies are in line with yours so do read
> > on...
> >
> > --- On Fri, 25/12/09, Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com<exsecy%40gmail.com><exsecy%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com <exsecy%40gmail.com> <exsecy%
> 40gmail.com>>
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues
> -
> > Contradictions & Question that
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>Â > Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 11:09 PM
> >
> >
> > Preethi
> >
> > The Vice President, Linda Oliveira, was elected and
> >
> > confirmed by a majority vote of the General Council
> >
> > on 20 October 2008.
> >
> > The announcement of the result of the election was
> >
> > delayed a few days waiting for the President to return
> >
> > to Adyar and was first communicated to all GC members,
> >
> > including the previous Vice President, on 29 October 2008.
> >
> > Preethi's Question: Then why is everyone under the impression that the
> > previous Vice President was not informed of this move?
> >
> >
> > The President followed standard procedure in declaring
> >
> > the result of the Vice President election to the membership
> >
> > in the December issue of The Theosophist.
> >
> > Every important event in the year is reported to the General
> >
> > Council at its annual meeting on 25 December.
> >
> > Preethi's Comment: How contradictory can you be? Please read on further
> to
> > know more... :-)
> >
> >
> > Under Agenda item 3, Confirmation of voting, the result of
> >
> > the VP election was reported. The voting slips were made
> >
> > available for GC members to scrutinize and the votes cast
> >
> > were confirmed as being correct.
> >
> > Preethi's Question and Comments: This is really the bone of contention,
> > isn't it Keith? We have a case of contradiction of terms here really, but
> > these contradictions need to be clarified and dealt with for the true
> > picture to emerge.
> >
> > On the one hand, you say that the President was following procedure when
> > she made the announcement in the December 2008 issue of the Theosophist.
> On
> > the other, you say that Agenda Number 3 of the GC meeting was:
> "Confirmation
> > of voting, the result of
> >
> >
> > the VP election was reported. The voting slips were made
> >
> > available for GC members to scrutinize and the votes cast
> >
> > were confirmed as being correct."
> >
> > In the ordinary and simple language that a common member of the TS like
> > myself speaks, that is a CONTRADICTION. Simply stated, my dear Keith, if
> a
> > final and conclusive statement is made about something, then it really
> means
> > that it needs NO further scrutinization and confirmation. The fact that
> the
> > final decision of electing Linda Oliveira as VP of the TS was still
> subject
> > to a SCRUTINY and CONFIRMATION by the members of the General Council
> shows
> > that Mrs Burnier's decision could NOT have been final; and thus, her
> > announcing this result A MONTH BEFORE in the December 2008 issue of the
> > Theosophist amounts to an abuse of power and authority.
> >
> > One of my early teachers, Richard Bach in his book "Illusions" says that
> > "contradictions do not exist. If they exist, check your premises." So
> what
> > are the premises for Mrs Burnier's hasty reactions, Keith?
> >
> > Could you please clarify these CONTRADICTIONS in your statements and
> > premises?
> >
> >
> > There is nothing sinister or illegal with any of these
> >
> > procedures, except in the minds of those who can not
> >
> > accept the result of the election.
> >
> > Preethi's Comment: That is quite true, Keith. There is nothing sinister
> or
> > illegal with any of these procedures. The sinisterness or illegality lies
> > totally with the Officers who twist these procedures to suit their
> > convenience; with the Officers who look for the loopholes in the
> procedures
> > to maneuver them to their convenience. The procedures are just
> procedures.
> > Depends on who is using them, isn't it?
> >
> > And, my dear Keith, for your information I voted for and supported the
> > President during the recent elections. So I do not at all understand your
> > statement, "except in the minds of those who can not accept the result of
> > the election." Please forgive me that I choose not to explain my
> statement
> > to you. Suffice it to say that what is apparent is sometimes not at all
> > true; and what is not apparent is sometimes more true than all the
> apparent
> > issues.
> >
> >
> > The rule changes that would remove the right of members
> >
> > to vote in a Presidential election were contained in a
> >
> > document entitled âDraft Proposed Amendments to the
> >
> > Societyâs Rules and Regulationsâ.
> >
> > This document was not discussed and rejected as being
> >
> > non-viable as you have stated, it did not appear on the
> >
> > Agenda, and no part of the document was discussed.
> >
> > No reference to this document appears in the minutes of
> >
> > the GC meeting to which you refer.
> >
> > Preethi's Comment and Questions: Thank you for clarifying this point
> Keith.
> > However, it does raise some issues for consideration and concern, which I
> > will try my best to state below:
> >
> > 1. If this issue of disenfranchisement was not part of the Agenda, then
> why
> > is such a hue and cry being made of it even today by Mr MKR, for example?
> >
> > 2. If this issue of disenfranchisement was not part of the Agenda and
> thus
> > NOT a matter of concern to either the President, the VP, or any of the
> > participating members of the GC, then why did Pedro Oliveira, Erica
> > Georgiadis and so many others make such a fuss about it before the
> General
> > Council meeting of 2008? They were in fact so concerned about it as for
> EG
> > to actually bring out a magazine in which the shock was expressed that
> such
> > a thing could even be proposed!
> >
> > 3. If this issue of disenfranchisement was not part of the Agenda then
> why
> > is it that those who are supporters of Mrs Burnier and seek to quell any
> > voice raised against the President use this "disenfranchisement coin" to
> > "bring down the enemy"? By the way, Keith, the enemy exists in their own
> > heads. I definitely have no inimical feelings towards the President and
> her
> > aides. All I am seeking is to clarify the intriguing situation that
> > surrounds the President at the moment, which intriguing situation is one
> of
> > the major causes for the apparent dissent.
> >
> > 4. Now, you have stated above that any important issue occurring during
> the
> > year are brought to the attention of the General Council during the
> meeting
> > of 25 December in any year, including 2008. Would you as an ex-member of
> > that Council say that the issue of members' rights to vote is a cause for
> > concern and an important issue?
> >
> > Fraternally
> >
> > Preethi
> >
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:17 AM, preethi muthiah
> > <seeker_preethi@yahoo.com <seeker_preethi%40yahoo.com> <seeker_preethi%
> 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > By that count, MKR, the President and Vice President of the TS ought to
> > > abide by the Pledge of having the benefit of the TS in their hearts and
> > > minds above all and everything personal. Would you be kind enough to
> ask
> > > them why they have put their personal selves and egoes before and above
> > > everything else in the TS? Why today the purity and cleanliness of our
> > > Movement has taken second place to their need to hold on to power and
> > > position in the TS?
> > >
> > > As regards the disenfranchisent issue you are repeatedly talking about
> > MKR,
> > > that was just -- I repeat JUST a proposal...no more, no less. A
> proposal
> > > that was brought up in the GC Meeting, discussed and REJECTED as being
> > > NON-VIABLE.
> > >
> > > But the FACT that you keep bringing up the issue whenever something
> that
> > is
> > > NOT pleasant to the current administrative head and her aides comes up
> > shows
> > > that the current administrative head and her aides are INCAPABLE of
> > standing
> > > in the light of the Truth that today -- as since 24 May 2009 -- asks
> them
> > to
> > > ACCOUNT for their deeds and misdeeds, their demeanours and
> misdemeanours
> > in
> > > running the Theosophical Society. The main point is:
> > >
> > > WHAT IS SO MUCH CORRUPTION AND FEAR DOING IN THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY?
> > >
> > > I take you to your own words below: "Because, once you write something
> > with
> > > your own name, you have to stand by what one writes."
> > >
> > > By this declaration -- which I agree with you is right and just and
> fair
> > --
> > > you ought to be asking the President and the Vice President "How it is
> > that
> > > the printed issue -- as every issue of the Theosophist would tell you
> > that
> > > the President is responsible only for Official Notices appearing in the
> > > Theosophist -- of December 2008 The Theosophist carried the official
> > > declaration of Linda Oliveira as "elected" -- please note the word
> > "elected"
> > > -- Vice President of the TS while that election was still due for
> > scrutiny
> > > and confirmation during the GC meeting held on 25 December 2008?"
> > >
> > > Were the President and Vice President truly ABIDING by the rules of the
> > > Constitution of the TS, that announcement ought to have waited till the
> > > January 2009 issue of the Theosophist. Could you please, at your
> > discretion
> > > of course, ask this question of the two principal Officers of the TS?
> > What
> > > was the President's hurry in declaring Linda Oliveira as VP? Why could
> > she
> > > not have waited the two months from October 2008 to January 2009 for
> > making
> > > an official declaration, as would have been constitutionally and
> legally
> > > correct?
> > >
> > > And the subtler question: when the Two principal Officers of the TS are
> > so
> > > corruption and power oriented, how can they (as we all as well) hope
> that
> > > the TS will not be CONTAMINATED by that corruption?
> > >
> > > This last point, I am sure you will agree, is cause for much more
> concern
> > > than the proposed disenfranchisement of voting rights which proposal
> was
> > > anyway openly discussed and rejected as being non-viable. The reason
> why
> > the
> > > corruption practised and endorsed by the current administrative head of
> > the
> > > TS and her aides is SUCH A CAUSE FOR CONCERN is because, my dear MKR,
> > when
> > > we as members of the TS sign our membership form and pay an annual
> > renewal
> > > of membership fee, we -- to suit the convenience of the corrupt Head
> and
> > her
> > > principal aide -- are forced to NOT stand by our annual declaration
> that
> > we
> > > will do our best for the TS and for the future and furtherance of the
> > > Movement and its principal Motto and Objects.
> > >
> > > As can be guessed, then, I would rather stand up and fight against the
> > > President who tries to tell me NOT to abide by the declarations by
> which
> > I
> > > put my signature annually as member of the Theosophical Society.
> > >
> > > Fraternally
> > >
> > > Preethi
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com><mkr777%
> 40gmail.com><mkr777%
> > 40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> <mkr777%40gmail.com>
> <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
>
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related
> issues
> > -
> > > Contradictions & Question that
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
>
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 7:08 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will leave it to the reader to make up their minds about the
> pseudonym
> > >
> > > issue. Many times, it is used by people to keep their personal
> reputation
> > >
> > > mask clear. Because, once you write something with your own name, you
> > have
> > >
> > > to standby what one writes.
> > >
> > > The disenfranchisement issue is very very serious. If the coup had
> > >
> > > succeeded, we will not be talking here, because there is nothing to
> talk
> > >
> > > about and all information would have been shut like a clam shell. What
> is
> > >
> > > more important is that members were able to make up their minds about
> the
> > >
> > > Quartet who tried the ultra secret attempt. This issue is not going to
> go
> > >
> > > away, because it is an extremely serious issue with the future of TS
> and
> > > its
> > >
> > > members.
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:28 PM, preethi muthiah
> > >
> > > <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > MKR,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Might I be permitted to say here that the Message is more important
> > than
> > >
> > > > the Messenger. The issue is not so much "who sent the message" than
> > what
> > > the
> > >
> > > > Contents of the message tell us about the current administration, or
> > > shall I
> > >
> > > > say, Misadministration?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Why does it not occur to you -- a seeker after the Truth -- that
> people
> > >
> > > > must need to use pseudonyms for FEAR of facing the repercussions of
> > their
> > >
> > > > declarations? And what, O Truth Seeker, is FEAR doing in an
> > organization
> > >
> > > > that declares TRUTH as its Motto? Doesn't the contradiction and
> > dichotomy
> > > of
> > >
> > > > it hit you, MKR?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Why is there SO MUCH FEAR in the Theosophical Society? Why is there
> the
> > >
> > > > FEAR of the President? Where did that FEAR take root?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Fraternally
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Preethi
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related
> > issues
> > > -
> > >
> > > > Contradictions & Question that
> > >
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 6:41 AM
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks for posting.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It would be interesting to know who is the writer of the message.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Theosophical society members around the world are a small community
> and
> > > as
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > such most know each other, especially if they are active.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Also many times, when you look at the depth of knowledge shown by the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > writers using pseudonyms, it is usually someone very close to the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > administration and/or the leaders, past and present.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Persons who stand up with their own names behind messages are highly
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > regarded because they stake their reputation in what they say and
> > > displays
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > the integrity of the person.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On the other hand, you cannot ignore the identity from the message.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Of late many theosophists are fine tuning the techniques of hiding
> > behind
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > pseudonyms and claim that message is important.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It would be interesting to see any responses.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > MKR
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM, seeker_preethi <seeker_preethi@
> > > yahoo.com
> > >
> > > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > I received the below via email and thought I would pass it on to
> > >
> > > > TheosTalk
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > as well. Lots of things to ponder about, don't you think?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Fraternally
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Preethi
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > From: Brotherhood Of Theosophy [mailto:brotherhood oftheoso
> > > phy@gmail.com <phy%40gmail.com> <phy%40gmail.com> <phy%40gmail.com><brotherhoodoftheos
>
>
> > ophy%40gmail. com>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > ]
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:56 AM
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > To: brotherhoodoftheoso phy
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Election of the Vice-President & related issues -
> > > Contradictions
> > >
> > > > &
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Question that deserve answers
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions &
> > >
> > > > Question
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > that deserve answers
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 1. Preethi in http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> > > 53509
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > How was Linda Oliveira elected as Vice President of the TS BEFORE
> the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > General Council meeting of December 2008 could be held? In that
> > meeting
> > > a
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > vote was taken to ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while
> > actually
> > >
> > > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > international President had already made that announcement in the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Theosophist of December 2008, which issue of the Theosophist was
> > > printed
> > >
> > > > in
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL COUNCIL
> > >
> > > > MEETING.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 2. Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos-
> > > talk/message/
> > >
> > > > 53513
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Dear Preethi
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > The result of the Vice President election could be printed in the
> > >
> > > > December
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > issue of the Theosophist because the election was completed in
> > October
> > >
> > > > 2008.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > The President nominated Linda Oliveira for Vice President on 20
> > > September
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 2008, the closing date for voting was 20 October, and the result
> was
> > >
> > > > first
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > declared on 29 October 2008. As International Secretary, I
> presented
> > to
> > >
> > > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > General Council meeting on 25 December 2008, a document showing how
> > GC
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > members had voted and the actual voting slips for confirmation of
> the
> > >
> > > > votes
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > cast. These were scrutinized by the GC members present and found to
> > be
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > correct.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Keith
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 3. The actual minutes of the General Council Meeting of 25 December
> > > 2008
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > states:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > "The voting slips were scrutinized by some of the members of the
> > > General
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Council and Mrs. Linda Oliveira was declared elected as the
> > >
> > > > Vice-President
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > of the Society."
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 4. Rule 11
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > `Within three months of assuming office the President shall
> nominate
> > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Vice President subject to confirmation by the General Council.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 5. By every one's own admission, election was required to be
> > confirmed
> > > by
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > the General Council!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 6. Question that deserves answer
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > If a confirmation was required in the 25 December 2008 General
> > Council
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > meeting, and because minutes of this meeting also states that Linda
> > >
> > > > Oliveira
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > was declared elected only on 25 December 2008 how is it fair and
> > honest
> > >
> > > > to
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > declare on 29 October 2008 that she is the Vice-President and to
> make
> > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > announcement in the December month's Theosophist which was actually
> > >
> > > > printed
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > in November 2008? By such action, the General Council has been
> > treated
> > >
> > > > with
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > contempt and it is an insult to the General Council members.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 7. The violations of rules in election (?) of additional members of
> > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > General Council are also shameful and reflect the manipulations and
> > > utter
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > cynical contempt for rules, procedures, for ordinary members and
> > > General
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Council members of The Theosophical Society.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > All functions of Linda as vice-president and of the additional
> > general
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > council members elected (?) in 2008 cannot be treated legal.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Reply by Govert Schuller 18 hours ago
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Dear Adyarwoman,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > This issue only looks like a non-sinister technicality.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > What was the exact text of the December 2008 Theosophist regarding
> > Mrs.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Oliveira's status?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Probably she should have been called "Vice President Elect" from
> > > October
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 29, 2008 till December 25, 2008, when she was declared "Vice
> > President"
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > based on the acceptance of the election results by the GC.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Reply by adyarwoman 9 hours ago
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > It is not 'non-sinister technically. ' It is sinister. The December
> > > 2008
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > issue of The Theosophist printed in last week of November 2008,
> > carries
> > >
> > > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > following 2 information:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Page 85: "Mrs. Linda Oliveira was elected Vice-President with
> effect
> > > from
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 20 October 2008."
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos-
> talk/message/
> > >
> > > > 53513
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > says "the result was first declared on 29 October 2008" , (9 days
> > > later!)
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > The same issue of The Theosophist says on the 2nd Page in the list
> of
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Presidents, Vice-Presidents etc, "Vice-President: Mrs. Linda
> > Oliveira".
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > This was a sinister attempt to prevent the existing Vice-President
> > from
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > attending the General Council meeting.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > This also makes a mockery of the procedure of confirmation and
> hence
> > an
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > insult and contempt to the General Council members.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Reply by Govert Schuller 7 hours ago
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > I see. That's why I asked for the text. Thank you.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > For full information, visit
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > http://theosophical .ning.com/ forum/topics/ the-ts-in-
> crisis-new?
> > >
> > > > id=2060685% 3ATopic%3A40419& page=-1#comments
> > >
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