Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00075)

Thanks.
Yes, this is just one more problem to add to the long array of deviations from the Original Programe promoted by various later theosphists. Mistakes and misunderstandings occurs and we aught to be aware of them.

Why not create a society named something similar to The Theosophical Theos-talk Society (or an Esoteric Theos-talk Section seeking to influence the TS and turn it back on track) seeking to operate by the original programe given in 1875-1891 and sought reformulate to our present day? - We can always change the name of this society later on if needed.




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Covert Activities,


    
  I am reminded of the dispute that arose after John Cooper died in the middle
  of editing/compiling HPB letters. See the msg from Tillett linked below:

  <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37921>

  MKR
  On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:14 AM, esapress@ymail.com <esapress@ymail.com>wrote:

  >
  >
  > It happens. I know of one situation, in particular, wherein after death
  > (which I wasn't but should've been informed about) that person supposedly
  > had more than a baker's dozen of unpublished works a/b having a complete
  > library of this person's text I of course wrote to request a titles list
  > which to this day I've yet to receive.
  >
  > So, in fact, it's a real concern that those who've passed away aren't
  > having their works deluted by persons interested in trying to profit via
  > riding on the coattails of others by trying to attribute to them wacky and
  > substandard works which they and their friends have actually
  > created/produced a/b knowingly want to pass off as the deceased's.
  >
  > In this particular case those same individuals also attempted to steal the
  > works of others (the deceased's friends) and to again pass that work off as
  > the deceased's and thusly theirs. Just imagine when the deceased's friends
  > began to catch wind of this/that can you imagine what that tasted like.
  >
  > Basically or in a nutshell, plundering and distorting one person's papers
  > and archive wasn't enough, and so any materials that that person had
  > received from a whole circle of scholarly friends was deemed by these
  > individuals as potentially up for grabs - to plunder, misattribute, and
  > distort.
  >
  >
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>,
  > Augoeides-222@... wrote:
  > >
  > > Chuck,
  > > I have the belief that they will be asphyxiated by mountains of mindless
  > dribble.
  > > John
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: Drpsionic@...
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:04:51 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
  >
  > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Covert Activities,
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > I think, realistically, the future of Theosophy will be something similar
  >
  > > to the fate of the Shakers. It will simply die out as an organized
  > entity,
  > > at least in the west, as we all get older and older and older...
  > >
  > > Chuck the Heretic
  > >
  > > www.charlescosimano.com
  > >
  > > In a message dated 2/3/2010 8:57:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,
  > > mkr777@... writes:
  > >
  > > We all have seen some very fine Masons and theosophists who are
  > altruistic
  > > and best specimens of humanity. Such qualities have no correlation with
  > the
  > > erudition, position held, how high they are in Masonry or theosophical
  > > organizations and any other attribute. We also have seen those in the
  > other
  > > extreme, that may shock us.
  > >
  > > We all wear a mask to present a favorable image in the world. However,
  > when
  > > people are put in highly stressful and unusual situations, usually
  > created
  > > by themselves, major breaks take place in the mask and people usually see
  >
  > > the real person and usually those undesirable characteristics hidden
  > behind
  > > the mask show up. When it happens, there is damage to the individual
  > which
  > > is very difficult to fix. Those who come thru the rents in the mask
  > > smelling
  > > like a rose, have nothing to worry.
  > >
  > > Let us see what is in store for TS in the near future. Are w_e seeing the
  >
  > > calm before the storm?
  > >
  > > MKR
  > >
  > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:12 PM,
  > >
  > > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _esapress@... _
  > > (mailto: esapress@... ) _ <_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
  > _esapress@... _
  > > (mailto: esapress@... ) >wrote:
  > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Hi,
  > > >
  > > > I have been reading Theos-list posts of late, and sadly I do happen to
  > > > agree and via my own personal experience can confirm that indeed it
  > does
  > > > look very much to me like Theosophy is being beseiged a/o as one might
  > > say
  > > > under attack. There are significant efforts being made to besmear
  > > Theosophy
  > > > and even perhaps derail it's original efforts and aims. Further, it
  > does
  > > > look to me like it is coming most specifically or commonly from
  > > > organizations with a/o of Free Masonry. Myself knowing (and having
  > known)
  > > > many fine Masons I am trying my best to keep things in perspective and
  > to
  > > > not make sweeping a/o blanket statements about such Friends a/o
  > > > Organizations. I feel this/that sort of vague outlook will not specify
  > > the
  > > > exacts that people will need/want to seek out for a more thorough
  > > > understanding.
  > > >
  > > > As to why this should be, as yet I don't entirely know however I think
  > > that
  > > > it is partly a continuing and covert effort to privately, quietly, and
  > > > unlawfully obtain; and, clearly, I too feel it is a very sad thing to
  > > > see/know; and, of course, I'm still hoping that I'm wrong however as
  > yet
  > > it
  > > > does not appear that I am.
  > > >
  > > > Sometimes, things that are important enough to stand your ground about
  > > are
  > > > also important enough for others to try and take if they can just
  > manage
  > > to
  > > > figure out how. This/that issue (my best guess) however or ultimately
  > is
  > > in
  > > > all likelyhood a ruse - it's simply an ego 'in' and efforting-means to
  > > > create friction, harrassment and continuing pressure to ultimately
  > > > discredit, dismantle a/o fracture the Org. - Obviously I too do happen
  > to
  > > > think these are serious matters to keep track of -
  > > >
  > > > At any rate I can definitely confirm that there are in deed and in fact
  >
  > > > specific people (caregivers of) working under illusion and covert who
  > are
  > > > trying to not only conflict (and confine) each and everything Theosophy
  >
  > > does
  > > > (and much worse) but additionally they are trying to misrespresent some
  >
  > > > genuine Masons as having b_een other than. How/why it happened,
  > > specifically,
  > > > is it happening.
  > > >
  > > > First things first; it quite looks to me like it's all about
  > > > harrassing/impeding harrassing/impeding<WBR>, discrediting and separat
  > > > c/would pose real a/o strong opposition to such goings-ons.
  > > >
  > > > Terrie
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > >
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  > >
  > > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
  > >
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  > >
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