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Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its original lines!

Feb 14, 2010 11:24 AM
by Augoeides-222


Chuck, 
After divorce most guys stop communicating with their ex's. Which one is the martyr? 

John 
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Because excommunication does not work. It merely creates martyrs on one 
hand and rivals on the other. 

Chuck the Heretic 

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In a message dated 2/13/2010 10:58:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes: 

Now, some of us willI wonder why it was silly? 

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Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

Yes, it was silly for her to do that. 

Chuck the Heretic 

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In a message dated 2/12/2010 10:59:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Dear Cass and friends 

I hold your view to be against the esoterical theosophical teachings - and 
so does H. P. Blavatsky in her Esoteric papers as far as I can tell. 
The Masters have had groups for many years where they only allow certain 
members to participate. 
Various Chelas have also had groups where only certain members are allowed. 

Are you saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she and the others 
kicked Charles Sotheran out of the Theosophical Society? 
Are you also saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she kicked Mabel 
Collins out of her Esoteric Section and refused to accept everyone in her 
Esoteric Section? 

Let me seek to explain why... 

1. 
H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers: 
"Having omitted, however, the usual precautions of the probationary 
period, I have but myself to thank; and therefore, it is but just that I 
should 
also be myself the first to suffer for it at the hands of the inexorable 
Karmic law. For this, ironclad as I have been made by daily and almost 
hourly 
unjust attacks, I would have cared but very little; but that which I 
deplore the mostââwith a bitterness few of you will ever realizeââis the 
fact 
that such a number of thoroughly earnest, good, and sincere men and women 
should be made to suffer for the guilt of the few. For, though but a fault 
of 
omission on my part, still that guilt, as I feel, is due to my neglect. 
Behold! my Karma appeared as a warning almost from the beginning of the 
E.S." 
... 
"I had started well. Several of those whom I knew to be entirely unfitted 
to take the pledge have been refused from the first; but I proved unable 
to 
withstand their prayers when certain of them declared to me that it was 
their âlast chance in life.â The âpledge feverâ made short work of their 
promises. One broke her vows only four days after signing her pledge, 
becoming guilty of the blackest treachery and disloyalty to her HIGHER 
SELF. And 
when I could no longer keep in the E.S. either herself or her friend, the 
two convulsed the whole Society with their calumnies and falsehoods. Then 
it 
was that the old wondering query, âHow is it that âpoor H.P.B.,â 
notwithstanding the Masters at her back, and her own insight, is so 
evidently unable 
to know her friends from her foes?â ran once more the round of 
theosophical circles, both here and in America. 
Brothers, if you will judge from appearances, and from the worldly 
standpoint, you are right; but if you take the trouble of looking into the 
inner 
causes producing outward results, you will find that you are decidedly in 
the wrong. That you should no longer do me injustice, let me explain what 
I 
mean." 
....... 
"[And now I sincerely hope that you willââsome of you, at leastââlearn a 
lesson from my weakness, and show your appreciation of this by not judging 
me too unkindly if I now change somewhat my policy. For I have to either 
do so, or to drop the Esoteric teachings altogether, for those at any 
rate, 
who will disagree with this arrangement. To avoid repeating the mistake, 
this is what I propose doing. Each Paper will be sent as it was hitherto, 
only it will appear as a Supplement to the Ethics and teachings which will 
impart the rules of Discipline and the laws of Discipleship, as in the 
case of 
all Probationers.all Probationers.<WBR>"[And now I sincerely hope that you 
w 
at leastââlearn a lesson from my weakness, and show your appreciation of 
this by not judging me too unkindly if I n 

âSpeak not the mysteries to the common vulgar, nor to the casual friend, 
or new disciple. With prudent eye to the possible consequences, keep 
locked 
within your breast the teachings received, until you find a listener who 
will understand your words and sympathize with your aspirations.â 
This does not mean that you are at liberty to repeat what you have learned 
to anyone whom you believe to answer that descriptio_n, but that you can 
exchange views with your co-disciples who are pledged as you are 
yours_elf." 

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2. 
H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers: 
"The Masters can give but little assistance to a Body not thoroughly 
united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its first fundamental rule 
ââ 
universal brotherly love, without distinction of race, creed or colour; 
nor to 
a Society, many members of which pass their lives in judging, condemning, 
and often reviling other members in a most untheosophical, not to say 
disgraceful, manner. 
For this reason it is now contemplated to gather the âelectâ of the T.S. 
and to call them to action. It is only by a select group of brave souls, a 
handful of determined men and women hungry for genuine spiritual 
development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original lines. It is through an Esoteric 
Section aloneââi.e., a group in which all the members, even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for each other, and by working for all work for 
themselvesââthat the great Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 
realize 
that in union and harmony alone lie its strength and power. The object of 
this Section, then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical 
Society 
as a whole in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union at least 
among the few." 
....... 
"As to the relations of the Masters to this Section, it may be further 
said, paradoxically, that with Them everything is possible and everything 
impossible. They may or may not communicate personally on the outer plane 
with 
a member, and those who are continually wishing to receive âordersâ or 
communications directly from Them on this plane, either phenomenally or 
otherwise, will in all probability be disappointed. The Masters have no 
desire 
to prove Their power or give âtestsâ to anyone whatever. And the fact 
that a 
member has concluded that a crisis of some kind or other is at hand, when, 
according to his wise opinion, the Master or Masters ought to speak and 
interfe_re personally, is no sound r_eason for such an outward 
interference.i 
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3. 
H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers: 
"NOTICE 
Members of the E.S.T. receiving this Instruction will understand from its 
receipt that they have passed out of the First Probationary Degree of the 
E. S. T. into the Second Probationary Degree. The students in the Second 
Degree must not discuss this Instruction with anyone still in the First 
Degree; they must remain absolutely silent upon it, except to such persons 
as may 
be notified to them as belonging to the Second or Third Degrees by Annie 
Besant or William Q. Judge. Any breach of this rule of silence will be an 
absolute bar to receiving any further Instructions.a 
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Do you think that the Masters would reveal all their teachings to the 
vulgar when in a group among the chelas? 

M. Sufilight 

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From: Cass Silva 
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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:13 AM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

No, on the contrary Morten, I don't believe in any elite group being set 
up within an organization as this promotes division of its members into 
the 
'blessed' and the 'unclean'. I have no problem with study groups formed 
around esoteric ideas but these should be open to all. 

Cass 

> 
>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
_ http://www.charleschttp://www.c_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) 
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(mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
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>Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 3:02:36 AM 
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
> 
> 
>Dear Cass 
> 
>My views are: 
> 
>So you agree with me, that a secretive Esoteric Group, which requires 
approval before membership or opportunity to be taught is achived, might 
be a 
helpful idea? 
> 
>Some might consider the Secret Dcotrine to be a Bible. I would however 
say, that it is quite false to compare them to have anything in common 
since 
the Bible is turned into something infallible, whereas the Secret Doctrine 
never have claimed to be infallible or to be a Bible of any dead-letter or 

narrowminded dogmatic and fanatical interpretation. 
> 
>As I see it, we also have to keep the following in mind... 
> 
>The compassionate theosophist and the Sufi operates through the use of 
DESIGNs and MEASURINGs. Each teaching, book, lecture, e-mail etc. etc. is 
a 
DESIGN. After such a DESIGN has been presented, to the receiver(s) of it, 
the message, reacts on the individual in various ways. Depending on the 
reaction and the impact the message has or have - the Initiate or 
Initiates 
MEASURES the receiver(s). After a while a new DESIGN will be presented, 
maybe 
by another person or by other means. This teaching about DESIGN and 
MEASURING is ages old. HPB talked a bit about it. The Sufis are called the 
Designers, and sometimes also masons, i.e. the Eastern compassionate 
masons. 
> 
>Taken from A CURRICULUM OF A SCHOOL 
>"Man has few alternatives in his search for truth. He may rely upon his 
>unaided intellect, and gamble that he is capable of perceiving truth or 
even 
>the way to truth. This is a poor, but an attractive, gamble. Or he can 
>gamble upon the claims of an individual or institution which claims to 
have 
>such a way. This gamble, too, is a poor one. Aside from a very few, wo/men 
>in general lack a sufficiently developed perception to tell them:" 
> 
>1. Not to trust their own unaided mentation; 
> 
>2. Who or what to trust. 
> 
>"There are, in consequence, two main schools of thought in this matter. 
Some 
>say 'Follow your own promptings'; the other says: 'Trust this or that 
>intuition'. Each is really useless to the ordinary wo/man. Each will help 
>him use up his time." 
> 
>"The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the 
>competence of another man or institution, he must first learn something 
>which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception 
itself 
>is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to 
the 
>individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How 
To 
>Learn." 
> 
>"All this means, of course, that we are postulating here the need for 
>preparatory study before school work takes place. We deny that a man can 
>study and properly benefit from school work until he is equipped for it: 
any 
>more than a person can study space-navigation unless he has a grasp of 
>mathematics. " 
> 
>"This is not to say that a man (or a woman) cannot have a sensation of 
>truth. But the unorganized and fragmented mind which is most people's 
>heritage tends to distort the quality and quantity of this sensation, 
>leading to almost completely false conclusions about what can or should be 
>done." 
> 
>"This is not to say, either, that man cannot take part in studies and 
>activities which impinge upon that portion of him which is connected with 
a 
>higher life and cognition. But the mere application of special techniques 
>[often to everyone, regardless of their current state and requirements] 
will 
>not transform that man's consciousness. It will only feed into, and 
>disturb, more or less permanently, centers of thought and feeling where it 
>does not belong. Thus it is that something which should be a blessing 
>becomes a curse. Sugar, shall we say, for a normal person is nutritionally 
>useful. To a diabetic, it can be poison." 
> 
>"Therefore, before the techniques of study and development are made 
>available to the student, he must be enabled to profit by them in the 
>direction in which they are supposed to lead, not in short-term 
indulgence." 
> 
>"Thus our curriculum takes two parts: the first is in the providing of 
>materials of a preparatory nature, in order to equip the individual to 
>become a student. The second is the development itself." 
> 
>"If we, or anybody else, supply such study or preparatory material 
>prematurely, it will only operate on a lower level than it could. The 
result 
>will be harmless at best. At worst, it will condition, train, the mind of 
>the individual to think and behave in patterns which are nothing less than 
>automatic. In this latter way one can make what seem to be converts, 
>unwittingly play upon emotions, on lesser desires and the conditioning 
>propensity; train people to loyalty to individuals, found and maintain 
>institutions which seem more or less serious or constructive. But no real 
>progress towards knowledge of the human being and the other dimension in 
>which he partly lives will in fact be made... ... ...." 
> 
>Taken partly from: "Learning How to Learn" by the Afghan sufi-author 
Idries 
>Shah 
> 
>M. Sufilight 
> 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:00 AM 
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
> 
>>From what HPB said, we are given only what we can absorb and assimilate. 
No point in giving us esoteric knowledge that we are not ready for. The 
Secret Doctrine is not unlike the Bible in that it was written for both 
exoteric and esoteric students, so whatever level the reader is at, it 
provides 
guidance. 
> 
>Cass 
> 
>Cass 
> 
>> 
>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:58:47 AM 
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
>> 
>> 
>>Dear Cass and friends 
>> 
>>My views are: 
>> 
>>A new Esoterical School might be necessary or a good and compassionate. 
Remember that we emply agents in various groups and organisations. But I 
find, that another Theosophical Society following the original lines would 
be 
a much better idea, - well provided that the present Theosophical Society 
is not able to show us that they still follow the original lines given by 
the Masters, and why their lines or program are better than the original 
one. 
>> 
>>Such a Knowledge is esoterical knowledge. And that kind of Knowledge is 
not, (so I have been told here at Theos-talk), officially claimed by the 
leaders Theosophical Society today. An example: Try to ask the Master 
whether 
they consider their Himalayan group to be an elite group. Do you think 
that the Masters Himalayan group will reveal all and everything esoterical 
to 
everyone? 
>> 
>>M. Sufilight 
>> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Cass Silva 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:54 PM 
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
>> 
>>I hope you are not suggesting that new esoteric schools be formed? What 
knowledge is so esoteric that it can now only be shared by an elite group? 
>> 
>>Cass 
>> 
>>> 
>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> 
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>>Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:18:19 AM 
>>>Subject: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Dear friends 
>>> 
>>>My views are: 
>>> 
>>>Sometimes one would do well in reading the words given by H. P. 
Blavatsky 
>>>about the reason for the formation of the Esoteric Section... 
>>> 
>>>H. P. Blavatsky said to the members of the Esoteric Section: 
>>>"This degree of the Esoteric Section is probationary, and its general 
purpose is to prepare and fit the student for the study of practical 
occultism or Raj yoga. Therefore, in this degree, the student--save in 
exceptional 
cases--will not be taught how to produce physical phenomena, nor will any 
magical powers be allowed to develop in him; nor, if possessing such 
powers 
naturally, will he be permitted to exercise them before he has thoroughly 
mastered the knowledge of SELF, of the psycho-physiologica l processes 
(taking place on the occult plane) in the human body generally, and until 
he 
has in abeyance all his lower passions and his PERSONAL SELF. 
>>>The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H. P. 
Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section. He is one of those Adepts 
referred 
to in theosophical literature, and concerned in the formation of the The 
osophical Society. " 
>>>. . . . . . . 
>>>"The Theosophical Society has just entered upon the fourteenth year of 
its existence; and if it has accomplished great, one may almost say 
stupendous, results on the exoteric and utilitarian plane, it has proved a 
dead 
failure on all those points which rank foremost among the objects of its 
original establishment. Thus, as a "Universal Brotherhood, " or even as a 
fraternity, one among many, it has descended to the level of all those 
Societies 
whose pretensions are great, but whose names are simply masks,--nay, even 
SHAMS. Nor can the excuse be pleaded that it was led into such an 
undignified course owing to its having been 
>>>impeded in its natural development, and almost extinguished, by reason 
of the conspiracies of its enemies openly begun in 1884. Because even 
before that date there never was that solidarity in the ranks of our 
Society 
which would not only enable it to resist all external attacks, but also 
make 
it possible for greater, wider, and more tangible help to be given to all 
its members by those who are always ready to give help when we are fit to 
receive it. When trouble arose, too many were quick to doubt and despair, 
and 
few indeed were they who had worked for the Cause and not for themselves. 
The attacks of the enemy have given the Society some discretion in the 
conduct of its external progress, but its real internal condition has not 
improved, and the members, in their efforts towards spiritual culture, 
still 
require that help which solidarity in the ranks can alone give them the 
right 
to ask. The Masters can give but little assistance to a Body not 
>>thoroughly united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its first 
fundamental rule--universal brotherly love, without distinction of race, 
creed 
or colour; nor to a Society, many members of which pass their lives in 
judging, condemning, and often reviling other members in a most 
untheosophical, not to say disgraceful, manner." 
>>>. . . . . . . 
>>>"For this reason it is now contemplated to gather the "elect" of the 
T.S. and to call them to action. It is only by a select group of brave 
souls, 
a handful of determined men and women hungry for genuine spiritual 
development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original lines. It is through an Esoteric 
Section alone--i.e., a group in which all the members, even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for each other, and by working for all work for 
themselves-- that the great Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 
realize that in union and harmony alone lie its strength and power. The 
object of 
this Section, then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical 
Society as a whole in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union at 
least 
among the few. 
>>>All know that this end was in view when the Society was established, 
and even in its mere unpledged ranks there was a possibility for 
development 
and knowledge, until it began to show want of real union; and now it must 
be saved from future dangers by the united aim, brotherly feeling, and 
constant exertions of the members of this Esoteric Section. Therefore, 
anyone 
who has signed the pledge without realizing this is earnestly recommended 
to 
reconsider his position, and to withdraw unless he is prepared to devote 
himself to the carrying out of this purpose. Once offered the grand 
example 
of practical altruism, of the noble_ lives of those who learn to master 
the 
great knowledge but to help others, and who strive to acquire power_s but 
to 
place them at the service of their fellow-men, the whole theosophical 
community may yet be steered into action, and led to follow the example 
set 
before them. 
>>>The Esoteric Section is thus "set apart" for the salvation of the whole 

Society, and its course from its first steps will be an arduous and uphill 
work for its members, though a great reward lies behind the many obstacles 
once they are overcome. 
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>>> 
>>>M. Sufilight asks and comments: 
>>>I ask your compassionate hearts as honest Seekers after Truth : 
>>> 
>>>Do you my dear readers understand that, the Esoteric Section was 
according to H. P. Blavatsky created in 1888 so that "the Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original lines"; the lines openly 
deviated from in 1884? 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply turning it towards a more or less blurred or openly 
declared political involvement à la A. O. Hume - National Congress of 
India? I 
would clearly say no, and no a thousand times! 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply asserting a Messiah in the flesh as the World Teacher of 
the Age (The Maitreya) as a dogma or propagandized doctrine to follow? I 
would clearly say no, and no a thousand times! 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply rejecting the view that "No Theosophist should be silent 
when he hears evil reports or slanders spread about the Society, or 
innocent persons, whether they be his colleagu_es or outs_iders. " (The 
Key to the 
Theosophist, 2ed., 1890, p. 250)? I would clearly say no, and no a 
thousand times! 
>>> 
>>>Did it only imply this with reagard to physically present humans or did 
it also imply it with regard deceased ones? I would clearly say both 
issues count, because people not living in the physical are present in our 

universe! 
>>> 
>>>M. Sufilight 
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