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Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its original lines!

Feb 15, 2010 08:47 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen


I can tell you are an American and not from the Himalayan Lodge.
Facts are facts.
:-)



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drpsionic@aol.com 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its original lines!


    
  But they weren't. They were just much more energetic.

  Chuck the Heretic

  _www.charlescosimano.com 

  In a message dated 2/14/2010 10:53:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
  global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

  I like that you admit that they were more intelligent than you are.
  :-)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 

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  (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) _ 
  To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
  (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ 
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:21 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!

  I'm saying that they were people of their time, as we all are. 

  Chuck the Heretic

  _www.charlescosiman_www.charl

  In a message dated 2/13/2010 10:51:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
  _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _global-theosophy@global-thgl_ 
  (mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) _ writes:

  So you are saying that they were unintelligent when they created the 
  Theosophical Society and that they did not apply it to time, place, people 
  and 
  circumstances? Or was it rather a compromise dut to the circumstance, the 
  time, place and people?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 

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  Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:39 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!

  Actually the reason the TS began as a semi-secret masonic-type thing is 
  that in HPB's day they were really into semi-secret masonic type things. 
  It 
  is as simple as that.

  Chuck the Heretic

  _www.charlescosiman_www.c

  In a message dated 2/13/2010 12:39:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
  _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://www.charleschttp://www.c_ 
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  (mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) _) _ writes:

  Dear Cass

  My views are:

  try to read the links in my previous mail carefully, and you will find 
  out, that H. P. Blavatsky says she allowed people to become members, when 
  they 
  were honest at the moment they filed for membership and that she allowed 
  herself to ignore the fact that they perhaps or probably would change 
  their 
  heart after a short while. And for this she had to pay karmically. 
  Therefore she changed the allowance of members arriving in the Esoteric 
  Section, so 
  that the vulgar were not allowed to become a member. (Try here and read 
  past page 585: 

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  Here is my take on it based on the words given by H. P. Blavatsky.
  I would rather say that the theosophical teachings operate in accordance 
  with time, place, people, teaching, teacher and circumstances. No one can 
  force people to do what they do not want. As they say: You can tak a mule 
  to 
  the water, but you cannot force it to drink. Therefore the break-away as 
  you mentioned and not merely because they were thinking by themselves. 
  Because people most often do that.
  And that was why the Theosophical Society at first began as a semi-secret 
  masonic-like body, and also because of the fact that at that time such a 
  body was much more able in turning into something useful. The Objects were 
  put under pressure in the beginning of the 1880-ties, when certain persons 
  sought to promote some political theosophical Constitution and Rules in 
  their 
  branches. Slowly through the years the Constitution and Rules began to 
  deviate from the Original lines. And Olcott and other leaders of the TS 
  fell 
  and deviated from the Original Lines, especially in 1884 according to H. 
  P. 
  Blavatsky in Blavatsky's Collected Writings and her letters. H. P. 
  Blavatsky created the Esoteric Section in 1888 as a respones to this 
  problem, even 
  when we know that there were a higher Inner group beyond this probationary 
  one, because several Chelas are mentrioned in Blavatsky's Collected 
  Writings (Here they and a few others are: Damodar K. Mavalankar, H. S. 
  Olcott, W. 
  Q. Judge, Mohini Chatterjee, Djual Kool, Subba T. Row, Gargya Deva, S. 
  Ramaswamier, Darbhagiri Nath, and more). It was done - as a protest and a 
  call 
  for compassion, and the promotion of a Universal Brotherhood - in 1888 so 
  to turn the Theosophical Society back to the Original lines according to 
  Blavatsky's own words which I have alrady quoted for you.

  So I would rather say that some of the students, those who were too 
  vulgar, were allowed in the beginning through H. P. Blavatsky's fault and 
  her 
  wish of collecting a certain amou_nt of membe_rs. And some of them fell_ 
  on 
  the 
  Path, when tested. And people get tested on the probationary Path. After 
  the change were only non-vulgar members were allowed, we even there find 
  that 
  some of them fell after a while. The Path towards liberation and Moksha is 
  not without trials and problems. There is nothing new in this. Through the 
  centuries many have tried and fallen, and only few succeded. They were 
  those who were ready to succeed. The Law of Karma is strict, it never 
  fails 
  and never allow it self to be mocked. - H. P. Blavatsky died only a few 
  years 
  after the formation of the Esoteric Section. But she almost predicted her 
  own death in the Esoteric Section papers. (Try: Blavatsky Collected 
  Writings Volume 12 Page 491-492) 

  But these are just my views, which at least are supported by H. P. 
  Blavatsky in her own papers from the time.

  M. Sufilight

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  Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:50 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!

  Morten,
  Look what happened - those that joined the esoteric group soon began to 
  have their own ideas - and hence the breakaway. Theosophy in its infancy 
  needed to be spread to the wider community, one could only do that by 
  introducing an esoteric section that delved into the deep and hidden 
  teachings. As I 
  said it seemed as though some of those students began to think that they 
  knew more than their teachers and the inevitable outcome of that was that 
  theosophy became diluted or altered which would have defeated the purpose 
  of 
  the esoteric section. As they say, a little knowledge in the wrong hands!

  Perhaps they learnt that the theosophical message challenged their own 
  personal beliefs, and rather than change those beliefs, twisted them to 
  fit in 
  or be accomodated by their own personal belief system. You can take a 
  horse to water, but you can't make _it dr_ink, as they_ say.

  Cass

  >
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  >Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 3:53:38 AM
  >Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!
  >
  > 
  >Dear Cass and friends
  >
  >I hold your view to be against the esoterical theosophical teachings - 
  and so does H. P. Blavatsky in her Esoteric papers as far as I can tell. 
  >The Masters have had groups for many years where they only allow certain 
  members to participate.
  >Various Chelas have also had groups where only certain members are 
  allowed.
  >
  >Are you saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she and the others 
  kicked Charles Sotheran out of the Theosophical Society?
  >Are you also saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she kicked Mabel 
  Collins out of her Esoteric Section and refused to accept everyone in her 
  Esoteric Section?
  >
  >Let me seek to explain why...
  >
  >1.
  >H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers:
  >"Having omitted, however, the usual precautions of the probationary 
  period, I have but myself to thank; and therefore, it is but just that I 
  should 
  also be myself the first to suffer for it at the hands of the inexorable 
  Karmic law. For this, ironclad as I have been made by daily and almost 
  hourly 
  unjust attacks, I would have cared but very little; but that which I 
  deplore the mostââwith a bitterness few of you will ever realizeââis the 
  fact 
  that such a number of thoroughly earnest, good, and sincere men and women 
  should be made to suffer for the guilt of the few. For, though but a fault 
  of omission on my part, still that guilt, as I feel, is due to my neglect. 
  Behold! my Karma appeared as a warning almost from the beginning of the 
  E.S."
  >...
  >"I had started well. Several of those whom I knew to be entirely unfitted 
  to take the pledge have been refused from the first; but I proved unable 
  to withstand their prayers when certain of them declared to me that it was 

  their âlast chance in life.â The âpledge feverâ made short work of their 
  promises. One broke her vows only four days after signing her pledge, 
  becoming guilty of the blackest treachery and disloyalty to her HIGHER 
  SELF. And 
  when I could no longer keep in the E.S. either herself or her friend, the 
  two convulsed the whole Society with their calumnies and falsehoods. Then 
  it 
  was that the old wondering query, âHow is it that âpoor H.P.B.,â 
  notwithstanding the Masters at her back, and her own insight, is so 
  evidently 
  unable to know her friends from her foes?â ran once more the round of 
  theosophical circles, both here and in America.
  >Brothers, if you will judge from appearances, and from the worldly 
  standpoint, you are right; but if you take the trouble of looking into the 
  inner 
  causes producing outward results, you will find that you are decidedly in 
  the wrong. That you should no longer do me injustice, let me explain what 
  I 
  mean."
  >.......
  >"[And now I sincerely hope that you willââsome of you, at leastââlearn 
  a lesson from my weakness, and show your appreciation of this by not 
  judging me too unkindly if I now change somewhat my policy. For I have to 
  either 
  do so, or to drop the Esoteric teachings altogether, for those at any 
  rate, 
  who will disagree with this arrangement. To avoid repeating the mistake, 
  this is what I propose doing. Each Paper will be sent as it was hitherto, 
  only it will appear as a Supplement to the Ethics and teachings which will 
  impart the rules of Discipline and the laws of Discipleship, as in the 
  case 
  of all Probationers. ] Those who accept the new arrangement will have to 
  study the latter, or they cannot receive any more teachings from me. For, 
  as 
  saith the Book of Discipline in the Schools of Dzyan:
  >
  >âSpeak not the mysteries to the common vulgar, nor to the casual friend, 
  or new disciple. With prudent eye to the possible consequences, keep 
  locked 
  within your breast the teachings received, until you find a listener who 
  will understand your words and sympathize with your aspirations.â
  >This does not mean that you are at liberty to rep_eat what you hav_e 
  learned to anyone whom you believe to answer t_hat description, but that 
  you can 
  exchange views with your co-disciples who are pledged as you are yourself."
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  >
  >2.
  >H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers:
  >"The Masters can give but little assistance to a Body not thoroughly 
  united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its first fundamental rule
  ââ
  universal brotherly love, without distinction of race, creed or colour; 
  nor 
  to a Society, many members of which pass their lives in judging, 
  condemning, 
  and often reviling other members in a most untheosophical, not to say 
  disgraceful, manner.
  >For this reason it is now contemplated to gather the âelectâ of the T.S. 
  and to call them to action. It is only by a select group of brave souls, a 

  handful of determined men and women hungry for genuine spiritual 
  development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical 
  Society at 
  large can be brought back to its original lines. It is through an Esoteric 
  Section aloneââi.e., a group in which all the members, even if 
  unacquainted 
  with one another, work for each other, and by working for all work for 
  themselvesââthat the great Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 
  realize 
  that in union and harmony alone lie its strength and power. The object of 
  this Section, then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical 
  Society as a whole in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union at 
  least 
  among the few."
  >.......
  >"As to the relations of the Masters to this Section, it may be further 
  said, paradoxically, that with Them everything is possible and everything 
  impossible. They may or may not communicate personally on the outer plane 
  with 
  a member, and those who are continually wishing to receive âordersâ or 
  communications directly from Them on this plane, either phenomenally or 
  otherwise, will in all probability be disappointed. The Masters have no 
  desire 
  to prove Their power or give âtestsâ to anyone whatever. And the fact 
  that 
  a member has concluded that a crisis of some kind or other is at hand, 
  when, accordi_ng to his wis_e opinion, the Master or M_asters ought to 
  speak and 
  interfere personally, is no sound reason for such an outward interference. 
  "
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  >
  >3.
  >H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers:
  >"NOTICE
  >Members of the E.S.T. receiving this Instruction will understand from its 
  receipt that they have passed out of the First Probationary Degree of the 
  E. S. T. into the Second Probationary Degree. The students in the Second 
  Degree must not discuss this Instruction with anyone still in the First 
  Degree; they must remain absolutely silent upon it, except to such persons 
  as 
  may be notified to them as belonging to the Second or Third Degrees by 
  Annie 
  Besant or William Q. Judge. Any breach of this rule of silence will be an 
  absolute bar to receiving any further Instructions. "
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  >
  >Do you think that the Masters would reveal all their teachings to the 
  vulgar when in a group among the chelas?
  >
  >M. Sufilight
  >
  >----- Original Message ----- 
  >From: Cass Silva 
  >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
  >Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:13 AM
  >Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!
  >
  >No, on the contrary Morten, I don't believe in any elite group being set 
  up within an organization as this promotes division of its members into 
  the 
  'blessed' and the 'unclean'. I have no problem with study groups formed 
  around esoteric ideas but these should be open to all.
  >
  >Cass
  >
  >>
  >>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
  >>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
  >>Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 3:02:36 AM
  >>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!
  >>
  >> 
  >>Dear Cass
  >>
  >>My views are:
  >>
  >>So you agree with me, that a secretive Esoteric Group, which requires 
  approval before membership or opportunity to be taught is achived, might 
  be a 
  helpful idea?
  >>
  >>Some might consider the Secret Dcotrine to be a Bible. I would however 
  say, that it is quite false to compare them to have anything in common 
  since 
  the Bible is turned into something infallible, whereas the Secret Doctrine 
  never have claimed to be infallible or to be a Bible of any dead-letter or 
  narrowminded dogmatic and fanatical interpretation.
  >>
  >>As I see it, we also have to keep the following in mind...
  >>
  >>The compassionate theosophist and the Sufi operates through the use of 
  DESIGNs and MEASURINGs. Each teaching, book, lecture, e-mail etc. etc. is 
  a 
  DESIGN. After such a DESIGN has been presented, to the receiver(s) of it, 
  the message, reacts on the individual in various ways. Depending on the 
  reaction and the impact the message has or have - the Initiate or 
  Initiates 
  MEASURES the receiver(s). After a while a new DESIGN will be presented, 
  maybe 
  by another person or by other means. This teaching about DESIGN and 
  MEASURING is ages old. HPB talked a bit about it. The Sufis are called the 
  Designers, and sometimes also masons, i.e. the Eastern compassionate 
  masons.
  >>
  >>Taken from A CURRICULUM OF A SCHOOL
  >>"Man has few alternatives in his search for truth. He may rely upon his
  >>unaided intellect, and gamble that he is capable of perceiving truth or 
  even
  >>the way to truth. This is a poor, but an attractive, gamble. Or he can
  >>gamble upon the claims of an individual or institution which claims to 
  have
  >>such a way. This gamble, too, is a poor one. Aside from a very few, 
  wo/men
  >>in general lack a sufficiently developed perception to tell them:"
  >>
  >>1. Not to trust their own unaided mentation;
  >>
  >>2. Who or what to trust.
  >>
  >>"There are, in consequence, two main schools of thought in this matter. 
  Some
  >>say 'Follow your own promptings'; the other says: 'Trust this or that
  >>intuition'intuition'<WBR>. Each is really useless to the ordinary wo/man.
  >>him use up his time."
  >>
  >>"The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the
  >>competence of another man or institution, he must first learn something
  >>which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception 
  itself
  >>is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to 
  the
  >>individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How 
  To
  >>Learn."
  >>
  >>"All this means, of course, that we are postulating here the need for
  >>preparatory study before school work takes place. We deny that a man can
  >>study and properly benefit from school work until he is equipped for it: 
  any
  >>more than a person can study space-navigation unless he has a grasp of
  >>mathematics. "
  >>
  >>"This is not to say that a man (or a woman) cannot have a sensation of
  >>truth. But the unorganized and fragmented mind which is most people's
  >>heritage tends to distort the quality and quantity of this sensation,
  >>leading to almost completely false conclusions about what can or should 
  be
  >>done."
  >>
  >>"This is not to say, either, that man cannot take part in studies and
  >>activities which impinge upon that portion of him which is connected 
  with a
  >>higher life and cognition. But the mere application of special 
  techniques
  >>[often to everyone, regardless of their current state and requirements] 
  will
  >>not transform that man's consciousness. It will only feed into, and
  >>disturb, more or less permanently, centers of thought and feeling where 
  it
  >>does not belong. Thus it is that something which should be a blessing
  >>becomes a curse. Sugar, shall we say, for a normal person is 
  nutritionally
  >>useful. To a diabetic, it can be poison."
  >>
  >>"Therefore, before the techniques of study and development are made
  >>available to the student, he must be enabled to profit by them in the
  >>direction in which they are supposed to lead, not in short-term 
  indulgence."
  >>
  >>"Thus our curriculum takes two parts: the first is in the providing of
  >>materials of a preparatory nature, in order to equip the individual to
  >>become a student. The second is the development itself."
  >>
  >>"If we, or anybody else, supply such study or preparatory material
  >>prematurely, it will only operate on a lower level than it could. The 
  result
  >>will be harmless at best. At worst, it will condition, train, the mind of
  >>the individual to think and behave in patterns which are nothing less 
  than
  >>automatic. In this latter way one can make what seem to be converts,
  >>unwittingly play upon emotions, on lesser desires and the conditioning
  >>propensity; train people to loyalty to individuals, found and maintain
  >>institutions which seem more or less serious or constructive. But no real
  >>progress towards knowledge of the human being and the other dimension in
  >>which he partly lives will in fact be made... ... ...."
  >>
  >>Taken partly from: "Learning How to Learn" by the Afghan sufi-author 
  Idries
  >>Shah
  >>
  >>M. Sufilight
  >>
  >>----- Original Message ----- 
  >>From: Cass Silva 
  >>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
  >>Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:00 AM
  >>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!
  >>
  >>From what HPB said, we are given only what we can absorb and assimilate. 
  No point in giving us esoteric knowledge that we are not ready for. The 
  Secret Doctrine is not unlike the Bible in that it was written for both 
  exoteric and esoteric students, so whatever level the reader is at, it 
  provides 
  guidance.
  >>
  >>Cass
  >>
  >>Cass
  >>
  >>>
  >>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
  >>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
  >>>Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:58:47 AM
  >>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!
  >>>
  >>> 
  >>>Dear Cass and friends
  >>>
  >>>My views are:
  >>>
  >>>A new Esoterical School might be necessary or a good and compassionate. 
  Remember that we emply agents in various groups and organisations. But I 
  find, that another Theosophical Society following the original lines would 
  be a much better idea, - well provided that the present Theosophical 
  Society 
  is not able to show us that they still follow the original lines given by 
  the Masters, and why their lines or program are better than the original 
  one.
  >>>
  >>>Such a Knowledge is esoterical knowledge. And that kind of Knowledge is 
  not, (so I have been told here at Theos-talk), officially claimed by the 
  leaders Theosophical Society today. An example: Try to ask the Master 
  whether they consider their Himalayan group to be an elite group. Do you 
  think 
  that the Masters Himalayan group will reveal all and everything esoterical 
  to 
  everyone?
  >>>
  >>>M. Sufilight
  >>>
  >>>----- Original Message ----- 
  >>>From: Cass Silva 
  >>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
  >>>Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:54 PM
  >>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!
  >>>
  >>>I hope you are not suggesting that new esoteric schools be formed? What 
  knowledge is so esoteric that it can now only be shared by an elite group?
  >>>
  >>>Cass
  >>>
  >>>>
  >>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
  >>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
  >>>>Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:18:19 AM
  >>>>Subject: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
  original lines!
  >>>>
  >>>> 
  >>>>Dear friends
  >>>>
  >>>>My views are:
  >>>>
  >>>>Sometimes one would do well in reading the words given by H. P. 
  Blavatsky
  >>>>about the reason for the formation of the Esoteric Section...
  >>>>
  >>>>H. P. Blavatsky said to the members of the Esoteric Section:
  >>>>"This degree of the Esoteric Section is probationary, and its general 
  purpose is to prepare and fit the student for the study of practical 
  occultism or Raj yoga. Therefore, in this degree, the student--save in 
  exceptional cases--will not be taught how to produce physical phenomena, 
  nor will any 
  magical powers be allowed to develop in him; nor, if possessing such 
  powers naturally, will he be permitted to exercise them before he has 
  thoroughly 
  mastered the knowledge of SELF, of the psycho-physiologica l processes 
  (taking place on the occult plane) in the human body generally, and until 
  he 
  has in abeyance all his lower passions and his PERSONAL SELF.
  >>>>The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H. P. 
  Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section. He is one of those Adepts 
  referred 
  to in theosophical literature, and concerned in the formation of the 
  Theosophical Society. "
  >>>>. . . . . . .
  >>>>"The Theosophical Society has just entered upon the fourteenth year of 
  its existence; and if it has accomplished great, one may almost say 
  stupendous, results on the exoteric and utilitarian plane, it has proved a 
  dead 
  failure on all those points which rank foremost among the objects of its 
  original establishment. Thus, as a "Universal Brotherhood, " or even as a 
  fraternity, one among many, it has descended to the level of all those 
  Societies whose pretensions are great, but whose names are simply 
  masks,--nay, even 
  SHAMS. Nor can the excuse be pleaded that it was led into such an 
  undignified course owing to its having been
  >>>>impeded in its natural development, and almost extinguished, by reason 
  of the conspiracies of its enemies openly begun in 1884. Because even 
  before that date there never was that solidarity in the ranks of our 
  Society 
  which would not only enable it to resist all external attacks, but also 
  make 
  it possible for greater, wider, and more tangible help to be given to all 
  its members by those who are always ready to give help when we are fit to 
  receive it. When trouble arose, too many were quick to doubt and despair, 
  and 
  few indeed were they who had worked for the Cause and not for themselves. 
  The attacks of the enemy have given the Society some discretion in the 
  conduct of its external progress, but its real internal condition has not 
  improved, and the members, in their efforts towards spiritual culture, 
  still 
  require that help which solidarity in the ranks can alone give them the 
  right 
  to ask. The Masters can give but little assistance to a Body not
  >>>thoroughly united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its first 
  fundamental rule--universal brotherly love, without distinction of race, 
  creed or colour; nor to a Society, many members of which pass their lives 
  in 
  judging, condemning, and often reviling other members in a most 
  untheosophical, not to say disgraceful, manner."
  >>>>. . . . . . .
  >>>>"For this reason it is now contemplated to gather the "elect" of the 
  T.S. and to call them to action. It is only by a select group of brave 
  souls, a handful of determined men and women hungry for genuine spiritual 
  development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical 
  Society at 
  large can be brought back to its original lines. It is through an Esoteric 
  Section alone--i.e., a group in which all the members, even if 
  unacquainted 
  with one another, work for each other, and by working for all work for 
  themselves-- that the great Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 
  realize that in union and harmony alone lie its strength and power. The 
  object 
  of this Section, then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical 
  Society as a whole in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union at 
  least 
  among the few.
  >>>>All know that this end was in view when the Society was established, 
  and even in its mere unpledged ranks there was a possibility for 
  development 
  and knowledge, until it began to show want of real union; and now it must 
  be saved from future dangers by the united aim, brotherly feeling, and 
  constant exertions of the members of this Esoteric Section. Therefore, 
  anyone 
  who has signed the pledge without realizing this is earnestly recommended 
  to 
  reconsider his position, and to withdraw unless he is prepared to devote 
  himself to the carrying out of this purpose. Once offered the grand 
  example 
  of practical altruism, of the noble lives of those who_ learn to master 
  the 
  great knowle_dge but to help others, and who strive to acquire powers but 
  to 
  place them at the service of their fellow-men, the whole _theosophical 
  community may yet be steered into action, and led to follow the example 
  set 
  before them.
  >>>>The Esoteric Section is thus "set apart" for the salvation of the 
  whole Society, and its course from its first steps will be an arduous and 
  uphill work for its members, though a great reward lies behind the many 
  obstacles once they are overcome.
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  >>>>M. Sufilight asks and comments:
  >>>>I ask your compassionate hearts as honest Seekers after Truth :
  >>>>
  >>>>Do you my dear readers understand that, the Esoteric Section was 
  according to H. P. Blavatsky created in 1888 so that "the Theosophical 
  Society 
  at large can be brought back to its original lines"; the lines openly 
  deviated from in 1884?
  >>>>
  >>>>Did this imply turning it towards a more or less blurred or openly 
  declared political involvement à la A. O. Hume - National Congress of 
  India? I 
  would clearly say no, and no a thousand times!
  >>>>
  >>>>Did this imply asserting a Messiah in the flesh as the World Teacher 
  of the Age (The Maitreya) as a dogma or propagandized doctrine to follow? 
  I 
  would clearly say no, and no a thousand times!
  >>>>
  >>>>Did this imply rejecting the view that "No Theosophist should be 
  silent when he hears evil reports or slanders spread about the Society, or 
  innocent persons, whether they_ be h_is colleag_ues or outsiders. " (The 
  Key to 
  the Theosophist, 2ed., 1890, p. 250)? I would clearly say no, and no a 
  thousand times!
  >>>>
  >>>>Did it only imply this with reagard to physically present humans or 
  did it also imply it with regard deceased ones? I would clearly say both 
  issues count, because people not living in the physical are present in our 


  universe!
  >>>>
  >>>>M. Sufilight
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