Theos-Talk Archives (July 2010 Message tt00110)

Facebook is really about socialising Erica, there is now no legitimate group 
where those interested in theosophy may begin to study it or be assisted by 
others. Any person with theosophical interest would be immediately turned off by 
the political contents of theos world.
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>Cass
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>From: Erica L. Georgiades <eletzerich@yahoo.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thu, 29 July, 2010 2:47:20 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Comments on Independence etc
>
>Â 
>As a member of theos-talk since 2002, I do remember that Eldon censored some 
>people. It seems that he applied this policy basically when people were getting 

>too personal in their e-mails. I remembered for sure that Eldon censored or 
>removed completely from the forum at least three persons. But the cases were 
>quite extreme. 
>
>Either way it seems that most members of the forum, are now focused on face-book 
>
>and other forums, where they can exchange pictures, videos etc. Eldon predicted 

>it in a post. If I recall well he said that Theos-talk eventually would have 
>less activities. This has nothing to do with you being the moderator of the 
>list, but with a natural change which is happening. 
>
>Either way I will remain as member of theos-talk as I have been for many years. 

>And I am sure you and Eldon will find a solution for the kind of problem 
>expressed by Katinka.
>
>Erica
>
>________________________________
>From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 3:57:31 PM
>Subject: Theos-World Re: Comments on Independence etc
>
>Your response is well appreciated. Let me add a few short comments.
>
>Many in the theosophical circles know my name and that I live in San
>Antonio, Texas. Everyone knows that for my postings I use the email address
>- MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM. I know of no other theosophist with my name
>Ramadoss.
>
>When the message is sent from gmail it will show my name as MKR. When I use
>the yahoo web interface to post a message, the email address is still
>MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM whereas my yahoo name [ramadoss226] shows .
>
>I sign my messages as MKR or Ramadoss. Long time ago, I used my real nick
>name -Doss- and I no longer use it on msgs posted here and elsewhere to
>avoid confusion between my name and that of another well known and well
>respected theosophist who lives in my city and whose name is Doss.
>
>As for the list and fairness of its management, I leave it to the
>subscribers to judge. As is always the case, not everyone will agree with
>every decision one takes in life.
>
>By the way the response you quoted on your contact with Eldon was his and
>not mine. I hope it was a typo.
>
>MKR
>
>There is no religion higher than truth
>
>On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Spirituality <mail@katinkahesselink.net>wrote:
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>>
>> Hi MKR,
>>
>> That's great to hear, but not really what people are concerned about I
>> think.
>>
>> Let's go back a bit. At the Theosophical World Congress, and through email
>> in the days after it, several people expressed their concern to me that your
>> management of theos-talk was not impartial. That is: you have sensored
>> people who had perfectly decent contributions to make (Preetthi and Govert
>> and perhaps more) and seemed informed extraordinarily quickly of any
>> movement on the part of Radha/Pedro etc.
>>
>> Hearing that, and thinking that Eldon was still ultimately in charge of
>> this list, I asked him to use his authority to get the list back on track,
>> or close it. Whichever he preferred. He probably contacted you - and the
>> below is your response.
>>
>> Personally I don't give a darn whether you make money on theosophy or not.
>> Obviously it is easier to be critical for those who aren't in the employ of
>> the TS, but that doesn't mean that those who aren't - are necessarily
>> impartial. They're just financially independent of the TS - which is the
>> situation for most of us here.
>>
>> For me, and several of my correspondents - the question is: why has
>> theos-talk stopped being the open forum it used to be?
>>
>> And more specifically: how come you use several email addresses to post on
>> here? What are you trying to hide? In fact, the speculation has come up that
>> MKR hides several people on several continents.
>>
>> Now I'm all for freedom and would have preferred for theosophical.ning.comto 
>>stay open for everybody and the search engines. Glad some of us set up
>> theosophy.net last year: it IS open (just checked).
>>
>> However, I'm also all for accountability. The internet gives us all the
>> opportunity to hide behind screen names and loose all fairness in the
>> process. No need to be polite or just when nobody knows who you are.
>>
>> Now - in case this gets censored - I will be saving the text of this on my
>> pc. I don't really want to post it elsewhere, but I do think the below has
>> made a response necessary.
>>
>> I will also be deleting any links to theos-talk on my own sites BTW as it
>> doesn't seem like this forum serves any purpose to the theosophical movement
>> any more.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Katinka Hesselink
>>
>> Disclosure: The Dutch TS paid me for their recent redesign, so I guess I'm
>> not independent by your definition. That hasn't stopped me from speaking out
>> where I see fit though.
>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
>> <mkr777@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > All organized entities such as governments, business corporations,
>> spiritual
>> > organizations, and even individual leaders and politicians are always on
>> the
>> > look out for opportunities to influence the individuals such as
>> membership
>> > and even media people to either keep them in line or influence them to
>> act
>> > or write in ways supporting the activities and action of the
>> organizations
>> > and its leaders or even act as catÃââs paws to handle touchy issues. Many
>> > times, clever individuals and leaders will stay back in the background
>> and
>> > let others do their dirty work.
>> >
>> > In organizations, range of techniques used may be outright giving money
>> > grants, reimbursing the travel expenses, offer platforms to lecture or
>> write
>> > or even help them to move up in the leadership ladder. In theosophical
>> > circles, due to the common membership in other officially unconnected
>> > organizations, the fear of paying a price will keep writers and lecturers
>> in
>> > line with official wishes.
>> >
>> > The reason why I bring this up is because it is necessary to clarify my
>> > personal position in all activities and writings related to theosophical
>> and
>> > other issues. Firstly, as I have mentioned several times before, I
>> maintain
>> > my independence because of several reasons. I am not looking forward to
>> hold
>> > any elected office in future and I have an independent lively hood which
>> > does not depend on TS or any of its members. Also in the past I have
>> never
>> > received any manner of financial support from TS or any of its members.
>> >
>> > I am reiterating the above so that the newbees are very clear as to where
>> I
>> > come from and the independence gives some credibility to what I write on
>> > this and other theosophical forums. In todayÃââs Internet environment,
>> > transparent and open clarification of the independence issue is good for
>> > anyone in the cyberspace - writers, participants, website owners, website
>> > operators etc. I hope the above clarification helps.
>> >
>> >
>> > MKR
>> >
>> > There is No Religion Higher Than Truth
>> >
>> >
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