Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven Strategy
Aug 11, 2010 10:48 PM
by Cass Silva
I don't even know what the original programme was!
Cass
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>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@V2FfaxRLIZkt0IwQ5yH8iHeGDOehU3oourXS9ifltn06KbcDBzLOeipOmPrWUj4HtdCDABt8UyIo0BEnbgWe_zRsSA.yahoo.invalid>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thu, 12 August, 2010 4:34:44 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>Strategy
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>Â
>Dear Cass and friends
>
>My views are:
>
>I do not think I have expressed any issue with the moderators of this forum
>except - asking the question about whether it seeks to be governed by the
>Original Programe as it was given by HPB and others in 1875-1891 - and whether
>they seek to deviate from it - and if so in what manner, and why?
>
>If you are seeking to involve the forum and the Original Programe with politics
>- please state your reasons why this can be said to be in accordance with the
>Original Programe as it was given in 1875-1891 by HPB and others?
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Cass Silva
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:53 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>Strategy
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>Morten,
>
>I am referring to the politics of global inhumanity to man. That you and others
>have issue with the administrators, particularly on content, censorship and/or
>advocacy of individual past theosophists continues to ignite the politics which
>you say should not be part of the theosophical agenda.
>
>>
>>Can you answer what your real core issue is? What is your agenda? If TS Adyar
>>opposes your personal principles, you should know, that any attempt to bring it
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>>into line with your thinking is futile. One cannot change a hyena into a
>>leopard. To expect those that see value in the teachings of Besant, Leadbeater,
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>>Bailey, Krishnamurti to abandon them because they do not adhere to Blavatsky's
>>teachings is naive. Theosophy, like it or not, built upon the acceptance of
>>their works, rightly or wrongly, even with its christian bent, and to now expect
>>
>>an admission of error in teaching would for them mean to admit the infallibility
>>
>>of theosophy and its administrators. To place Blavatsky as the one and only
>>true advocate of Theosophy would require gargantuan moral courage to do so,
>>and my personal belief is that there are no gargantuan personalities with this
>>strength of character, nor is there any desire to change the status quo.
>>
>>I am hoping that Theos Talk was not established as the David to overthrow the
>>Goliath Theosophy but as a forum for anyone interested in discussing the
>>teachings of Blavatsky, Besant, Leadbeater, Krishnamurti, Bailey, etc etc, pro
>>or against. It is the individual that must decide which teacher they wish to
>>follow. Yes, it irks me, that Blavatsky has been given secondary status at
>>Adyar, but she herself, walked away, without any attempt to discredit those she
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>>left behind. We have the same choice. That Adyar is the flagship for
>>Theosophy but not for Blavatsky is not our concern.
>>
>>
>>Blavatsky stated that all theosophists should rid themselves of its priests can
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>>only be accomplished by individuals that see priests in the belfry. If they do
>>not, then kicking the horse will only result in the kicker living with a
>>very sore leg!
>>
>>Cass
>>
>>
>>
>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@V2FfaxRLIZkt0IwQ5yH8iHeGDOehU3oourXS9ifltn06KbcDBzLOeipOmPrWUj4HtdCDABt8UyIo0BEnbgWe_zRsSA.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Wed, 11 August, 2010 2:40:55 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>Strategy
>>
>>
>>Ordinary lawmaking politics was as you know not a part of the Original Programe
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>>in the TS in 1875-1891.
>>Even later I believe Jinarjadasa had to stop political articles in the
>>theosophical Magazine. But about that time, Annie Besant and others had already
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>>begun to get the TS hopelessly entangled with the political party the Indian
>>National Congress - virtually a deathblow to the theopshical doctrines and the
>>frame of the Original Programe given in 1875-1891 in the Constitution and
>Rules.
>>
>>So I will have to ask you, why you insist on putting emphasis on lies and decit
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>>- instead of seeking to end the strifes of the world religions - and - the study
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>>of the INNER man as the original programe aimed at?
>>Altruism is central to the original programe of the TS, should this now be
>>exchanged with something else - and the original TS be called a political
>>organisation?
>>
>>M. Sufilight
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Cass Silva
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:21 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>Strategy
>>
>>Hi Morten,
>>I'm over all the internal politics - but I believe we should be addressing
>>global politics from a TS perspective.
>>
>>Cass
>>
>>>
>>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@V2FfaxRLIZkt0IwQ5yH8iHeGDOehU3oourXS9ifltn06KbcDBzLOeipOmPrWUj4HtdCDABt8UyIo0BEnbgWe_zRsSA.yahoo.invalid>
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Tue, 10 August, 2010 3:46:01 AM
>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>Strategy
>>>
>>>
>>>Are theosophists of late being concerned with politics?
>>>In the old days the Original Programe was against it. Why this deviation today
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>>>year 2010?
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Govert Schuller
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:27 PM
>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>Strategy
>>>
>>>Dear John,
>>>
>>>Yes, the Schuman/Bezemov material is very revealing. His interview with Edward
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>>>Griffin is also available on youtube and google videos.
>>>
>>>
>>>The fact that he worked as a KGB agent in India might be of interest to
>>>Theosophists.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2307456730142665916#
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_xdBnFPqOI&feature=PlayList&p=4CDAB99FAB5980BA&index=0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>BTW, Griffin started recently Project Red Pill:
>>>http://www.realityzone.com/prp.html
>>>
>>>Govert
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Augoeides-222@R5NC4uFZNIbTznO4pCuDNNTc7GBGns5pVjz_RgdchPe2mjoWCTqBTat-lX15QhtvaXd3a3ZvmH60yGYcJAGSLW9brw.yahoo.invalid
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:10 AM
>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>Strategy
>>>
>>>Govert,
>>>Thanks much for the important posts from you and your links to your articles. I
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>>
>>>have bookmarked alomost every single link in them and will be reading for
>>>months! I especially liked the New Zealand Researcher Interview about the
>>>history of the Chicago Communists party and ilk, I was born and raised there (on
>>>
>>>
>>>the South side) so i can really relate to it all. I did notice that he made no
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>
>>>mention of that mentor Saul David Lewinsky and the book "Rule for Radicals- A
>>>Pragmatic Primary for Practical Radicals". Some of the things mentioned have
>>>taken place and become fact. Also I skimmed the titles about the G20 and a new
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>>>Intl. Currency, the Admin. has in it's new Statute created a new Dept. named the
>>>
>>>
>>>"Office of the Currency" which will monitor and regulate the new social order
>>>"Transformation. Also mention was made of certain "code words" that have been
>>>used. The acceptance speech was made and over his shoulder was the Greek "Temple
>>>
>>>
>>>of Apollo" a serect display especially created for the "Apollo Alliance"
>>>benefit.
>>>
>>>
>>>Anatoliy Galitsyn isn't the only worthy former KGB there is another thta has
>>>extremely important instructive Video's online "Thomas Schumann" alias "Yuri
>>>Bezmenov" an expatriate has 10 video's online that instruct about the cardinal
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>>>Stages and Elements used for the conquest and revoluntionary objectives. Google
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>>>or Yahoo video search "Thomas Schuman - "Secrets of Communism" and in watching
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>>>relate to the current actions of the now and the last several decades.
>>>
>>>
>>>In Schuman's videos describe Four Critical Stages of Revoluntrionary Change that
>>>
>>>
>>>are required to successfully Communize a Nation:
>>>
>>>
>>>Thomas Schumann KGB Propaganda Expert described four stages that must be
>>>accomplished
>>>
>>>
>>>Stages of Subversion:
>>>
>>>1.Demoralization 15-25 years maturation period
>>>2.Destabilization
>>>3.Crisis
>>>4. Normalization( the 1948 Czech process)
>>>
>>>A. The "Elements " utilized to progress the goal are:
>>>
>>>Activism using:
>>>1. Religion - The Christian - Marxist Projectas one example
>>>2.Education
>>>3. Social Life
>>>4.Power Structure
>>>5. Labor Relations - Unions
>>>6.Law and Order
>>>
>>>Yuri Bezmenov -
>>>>>>http://www.4shared.com/file/79865078/dbf057bs/World_Thought_Police_Yuri_Bezmenov.html<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Muckity.org<<< is a fantastic tool for discovering interactive relational
>>>>>>mapping between persons:
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>2008 Obama Presidential Campaign
>>>
>>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/2008-Barack-Obama-presidential-campaign/5004664.muckety<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>@008 & 2004 Senate Campaigns
>>>
>>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/Query?name=Obama+Campaign&prev=Obama+Campaign&SearchResult=5029144&SearchResult=5004664&graph=MucketyMap<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>George Soros
>>>
>>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/George-Soros/4166.muckety<<<
>>>
>>>The Truth about George Soros
>>>
>>>>>>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=the+truth+about+george+soros&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----s ,emtion have taken place and become From: "Govert
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>>
>>>Schuller" <schuller@4pdF25yhnOLAZuSBHL4bIPkRDAc9f1kn69QWfl9ywXqin380po-CdX6wjXnDEhQEpY983AUU5k3P4Q.yahoo.invalid>
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 10:13:29 AM
>>>Subject: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven Strategy
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Dear John,
>>>
>>>Very glad to see a fellow referring to the Golytsin thesis. I always thought it
>>
>>
>>>was a most reasonable and fruitfull framework to evaluate world politics and
>>>economics.
>>>
>>>
>>>It basically states that the Russians and Chinese have been strategically linked
>>>
>>>
>>>since the Chinese communist takeover in 1949 and have been deceiving the West
>>>ever since. Glasnost, Perestroika and the liberalization of East Europe were
>>>just theatrics in service of a larger plan.
>>>
>>>
>>>But this deception could only have been pulled off by a fifth column in the West
>>>
>>>
>>>of fellow travellers, hidden agents and especially think tanks like the Council
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>>
>>>on Foreign Relations.
>>>
>>>
>>>Within this framework it also makes sense to evaluate Obama's policies as
>>>implementing the so-called Cloward-Piven Strategy of intensifying crises to
>>>justify the change of society into a more socialist mold.
>>>
>>>
>>>As I've stated before, all those in the Krishnamurti, Theosophical and Ascended
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>>
>>>Master movements should take this very serious.
>>>
>>>
>>>But, don't take my word and do your homework. I have assembled throughout the
>>>years relevant articles and sources and introduced them with my own
>>>understanding of the many complex issues involved.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Abiding Communist Threat in its Open and Hidden Manifestations
>>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/parapolitics/commiethreat.htm
>>>
>>>The Abiding Threat: The Ongoing Validity of the Angleton-Golytsin Thesis
>>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/parapolitics/AbidingThreat2009.htm
>>>
>>>Sliding into VGGD (Very Great Global Depression)
>>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/Economy/SlidingIntoVGGD.htm
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Augoeides-222@R5NC4uFZNIbTznO4pCuDNNTc7GBGns5pVjz_RgdchPe2mjoWCTqBTat-lX15QhtvaXd3a3ZvmH60yGYcJAGSLW9brw.yahoo.invalid
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:17 AM
>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Action needed
>>>
>>>Chuck,
>>>Well, there are many views about why things happen. Nelson Mandela was a
>>>communist revoluntionary who organized and promoted the overthrow of the
>>>establishment
>>>
>>>government and was jailed for it, later, due to activism he won his release and
>>
>>
>>>got a Nobel "Peace" Prize. Ghandi was primarily successful in terms of the
>>>British due the the fact that they possessed integrity, character, and strong
>>>moral and ethical tenets which disarmed them from using the tactics that Jengis
>>
>>
>>>Khan applied , Stalin applied, Mao applied or Hitler applied. In some case
>>>virtue is a deficit that insures defeat when facing an unprincipled enemy. As
>>>for good old Gorby, it ain't what is seemed to be. Why in the world did the US
>
>
>>>Gov. host good old Gorby and provide free offices at the Military base named the
>>>
>>>
>>>Presidio here in California? He created his American Fondation that hooked up
>>>with a multitude of activists groups here. Read "New Lies for Old" and "The
>>>Peretroika Deception" by Anatoliy Galitsyn, former KBG and Head of soviet
>>>Espionage for an eye opener on the real game.Remeber that Newsweek issue with
>>>the cover that proclaimed "We are All Socialists Now!"??? Lol
>>>
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>---- Original Message -----
>>>From: "charles cosimano" < Drpsionic@S0oWUhIG8Yh8Kws_kRsHa1MtyZwUK1hasaf5xdKWiXoS9yRjq0NzhwBcyuXAyCqcz8TPX7AtAVe7PA.yahoo.invalid >
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2010 5:55:06 PM
>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Action needed
>>>
>>>But those were actually the result of weakness on the part of the other side.
>>>The South Africans did not kill Nelson Mandela out of hand. The British did not
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>>
>>>simply shoot Ghandi. And the Berlin Wall fell because the Soviet Empire could
>>>not survive and Gorbachev lost his nerve.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chuck the Heretic
>>>
>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nhcareyta < nhcareyta@XI5yiIlZzr4F9xeDVXDcpeqSWOjclHYH0MjiIMKLqXB5AN3HZ4ikUsnZxp8EwCXCydztddRqVsQ3yPGF.yahoo.invalid >
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 10:39 am
>>>Subject: theos-talk Re: Action needed
>>>
>>>"Never" is a long time. Many extraordinary and inconceivable changes have
>>>occurred just in our lifetime.
>>>
>>>
>>>The ending of apartheid in South Africa; bringing down the Berlin wall; the
>>>British leaving India.
>>>
>>>
>>>For whatever the impetus, these were monumental changes, thought impossible up
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>>>until the time they occurred.
>>>
>>>
>>>And in any event, what's the alternative? Do nothing, say nothing?
>>>
>>>I think not, but granted the action must be as wise as we can determine.
>>>
>>>Never surrender to tyrany...never.
>>>
>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , Drpsionic@... wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And they still may never give a damn. How do you get past the mute button?
>>>>
>>>> Chuck the Heretic
>>>>
>>>> _www.charlescosimano.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 8/6/2010 10:22:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>> nhcareyta@... writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We wait a little longer, try a little harder...and never give up.
>>>>
>>>> --- In
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) , Drpsionic@ wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > And if the local constituents really don't give a damn?
>>>> >
>>>> > Chuck the Heretic
>>>> >
>>>> > www.charlescosimano.com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:20:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>> > nhcareyta@ writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dear John, Erica and All
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you for your responses and actions.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks to the internet and its popularity these issues are now being
>>>> aired
>>>> > throughout the broader community.
>>>> > Similarly, migration and asylum seeking are bringing certain cultural
>>>> > differences to the attention of powerful western forces through
>>>> community
>>>> > outrage and protest.
>>>> > Already there are broad based, community discussions on highly sensitive
>>>> > cultural and religious practices. From female circumcision to the
>>>> wearing of
>>>> > the burka in all its forms, and from certain kinds of torture to
>>>> stonings,
>>>> > all these matters are now being discussed internationally with many
>>>> human
>>>> > rights groups increasing the task of community education and action.
>>>> > Community act_ion equates to votes and it will eventually take a
>>>> foolhardy
>>>> > western politician to ignore the voices of their local constituents.
>>>> > The west can then_ bring greater pressure to bear on recalcitrant
>>>> regimes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Of course politics and economics are powerful forces and yes, these are
>>>> > very early steps, but with the use of the internet and its opportunities
>>>> to
>>>> > act I can see the early signs of a broad based, international shift in
>>>> > consciousness, such as we have never seen before.
>>>> >
>>>> > Kind regards
>>>> > Nigel
>>>> >
>>>> > --- In
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_
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>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
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>
>>>> __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __
>>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>
>>
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>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) ) , Augoeides-222@ wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Nigel,
>>>> > > There are even video's of stoning online on Google and Yahoo video's.
>>>> > There have been numerous articles in the last few years about retrograde
>>>> 6th
>>>> > century abominable punishments according the the conventions of Sharia
>>>> Law
>>>> > of Islamic faith . One was a young teenager who had relation with a boy
>>>> and
>>>> > they stoned her to death for the family "honor". There are Islamic
>>>> > fundamentalist Personal Channels on Justin.tv ("Raah") and a few others
>>>> that show
>>>> > poor victum's having their fingers cut off while being tightly held by
>>>> > several men, Men being led to a grassy area for decapitition and the
>>>> head
>>>> > proudly displayed sitting on the chest of the dead body. I posted a few
>>>> of the
>>>> > 'Family honor" murder articles on this forum a while back. I find these
>>>> > idea's, concepts, rationalizations and practices abhorrent, abominable
>>>> and
>>>> > psychotic abberation in this modern world of today. The Taliban are
>>>> perfect
>>>> > example of terrorist suppressive_ degenerate religionism and the Wa habi
>>>> of_
>>>> > Saudi Arabia was a mentor to them. In England they are requesting the
>>>> right
>>>> > to install Sharia Law parelell and eqeal to the British Justice
>>>> Institute
>>>> > itself. people never studied the History of conquest by "perfusion" and
>>>> > "suffusion" and population displacement that is evidenced in History as
>>>> a social
>>>> > passive technique long established and practiced. A best present time is
>>>> > China and Tibet where China is actively practising this historic method
>>>> with
>>>> > a vengeance. One morning in a future we may wake up to a dreadful
>>>> reality
>>>> > that slowly insidiously pervaded our social space and beingness, beware
>>>> my
>>>> > friends of greeks bearing gifts.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > John
>>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > > From: "Erica L. Georgiades" <eletzerich@>
>>>> > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _
>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto:
>>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __
>>>>
>>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>
>>
>>
>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _
>>>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:50:53 AM
>>>> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Dear Nigel,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Death by stoning because of adultery also exists in Afghanistan and
>>>> > Somalia.
>>>> > > From time to time I am signing petitions against such barbarism, this
>>>> is
>>>> > not the
>>>> > > first. I remember some years ago a similar case in Somalia, her name
>>>> was
>>>> > Aisho
>>>> > > ...dont remember the surname. And now Sakineh... the poor women has a
>>>> > son and
>>>> > > a daughter and is only 42 years old. Also I just read that in Iran
>>>> there
>>>> > is
>>>> > > also another 10 women waiting death-roll sentence, for the same
>>>> reason.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Erica
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ________________________________
>>>> > > From: nhcareyta < nhcareyta@ >
>>>> > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _
>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto:
>>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __
>>>>
>>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>
>>
>>
>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _
>>>> > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 5:21:19 PM
>>>> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Dear Erica
>>>> > >
>>>> > > In spite of the considerable political considerations you mention, all
>>>> > of which
>>>> > > are accurate, there have been some quite remarkable social and
>>>> political
>>>> > changes
>>>> > > over recent times. Avaaz is one organisation making real headway in
>>>> some
>>>> > similar
>>>> > > situations, so all may not be lost.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > In any event, if we do nothing then certainly nothing will happen! So
>>>> > thank you
>>>> > > for contacting some of your fellow members. If everyone on t/talk does
>>>> > the same
>>>> > > a snowball reaction may occur.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Kind regards
>>>> > > Nigel
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _
>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto:
>>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __
>>>>
>>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
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>>
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>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) ) , "Erica" <eletzerich@> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Dear Nigel,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > This is most barbarian thing, which is unacceptable. I think the
>>>> > matter is in
>>>> > > >fact an international matter and not only of influence of one country
>>>> > or
>>>> > > >another.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > The United Nations could also interfere if they want. Such kind of
>>>> law
>>>> > should
>>>> > > >be completely abolished. Today is Sakineh imprisoned and condemned to
>>>> > death,
>>>> > > >tomorrow will be another Sakineh and the thing will go on and on.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > If there is not a strong international interference, I consider
>>>> almost
>>>> > > >impossible a diplomatic solution for this problem to be found. If
>>>> Iran
>>>> > opens one
>>>> > > >exception, eventually they would need to change their law. And when
>>>> one
>>>> > has to
>>>> > > >do with Islamic laws, is as if someone puts the hand in a "bag full
>>>> of
>>>> > cats".
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > So such a hope regarding Brazil and Turkey to find a diplomatic
>>>> > solution, are
>>>> > > >vain in my opinion. In my opinion all the internati_onal community
>>>> > should raise
>>>> > > >their voice and interfere, als_o stating that such a law should be
>>>> > abolished.
>>>> > > >But unfortunately this wont happen, because there is no oil or money
>>>> > involved.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > See the case of Aung San Suu kyi, years imprisoned by the military
>>>> > regime or
>>>> > > >Burma. Nothing was done to help the people of Burma or to release
>>>> her,
>>>> > except
>>>> > > >endless diplomatic talks which resulted probably in the fact that she
>>>>
>>>> > is still
>>>> > > >alive.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Anyway I will send some e-mails to some members of the Brazilian
>>>> > Section I
>>>> > > >know.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Erica
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>> > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>> (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ (mailto:_ (
>>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>
>>>> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _ ,
>>>> "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Dear Erica
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Yes, that is correct. That is why I asked whether there are some
>>>> > wealthy
>>>> > > >Adyar Society Brazilian members able to bring extra influence on
>>>> their
>>>> > > >President, perhaps to make another, more strident attempt.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > That would surely be Theosophy in action.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Regards
>>>> > > > > Nigel
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>> > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>> (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ (mailto:_ (
>>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>
>>>> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _ ,
>>>> "Erica L. Georgiades"
>>>> > <eletzerich@>
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Yesterday I read on Washington Post that, Lula the Brazilian
>>>> > President,
>>>> > > >already
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > requested to the President of Iran to release her and give her
>>>> > asylum in
>>>> > > >Brazil.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > The request of the President of Brazil was denied.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Erica
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > ________________________________
>>>> > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@>
>>>> > > > > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>> > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>> (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ (mailto:_ (
>>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>
>>>> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) )
>>>> > > > > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 3:32:23 PM
>>>> > > > > > Subject: theos-talk Action needed
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Dear All
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Perhaps some wealthy Adyar Society Brazilian members can bring
>>>> > additional
>>>> > > > > > pressure to bear on their President to address this outrageous
>>>> > issue?
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > "Dear Friends,
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Global pressure on Iran has saved Sakineh from death by stoning,
>>>> > but within
>>>> > > >days
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > she could still be hanged. More pressure from leaders in Brazil
>>>> > and Turkey,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > Iran's allies, are Sakineh's last hope. Donate below to fund an
>>>> > emergency
>>>> > > >ad
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > campaign in Brazil and Turkey in the next 72 hours:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Sakineh Ashtiani could be executed for adultery in Iran in the
>>>> > next few
>>>> > > >days,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > but two men could still save her -- the leaders of Brazil and
>>>> > Turkey.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > President Lula and Prime Minister Erdoğan are powerful
>>>> allies
>>>> > and
>>>> > > >mediators
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > with Iran w_ho enjoy great respect there, and both countries
>>>> have
>>>> > condemned
>>>> > > >the
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > case. Now, we need to push them to deploy all their diplomatic
>>>> > forces and
>>>> > > > > > persuade Iran to free Sakineh and stop stoning forever.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Avaaz is launching an emergency ad campaign in influential
>>>> > newspapers in
>>>> > > >Turkey
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > and Brazil urging them to press Iran for clemency and justice.
>>>> The
>>>> > ads will
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > deliver our half-million strong petition, reach political
>>>> circles
>>>> > and
>>>> > > >directly
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > appeal to Lula's and Erdoğan's leadership and moral
>>>> > authority. If
>>>> > > >5,000 of
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > us donate even a small amount in the next 72 hours, we'll make a
>>>> > powerful
>>>> > > > > > statement before it's too late. This may be Sakineh's last hope
>>>> --
>>>> > click
>>>> > > >here to
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > chip in:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > _> _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (
>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_
>>>>
>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (
>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl ) )
>>>>
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Sakineh's sentence is a farcical travesty of justice. She was
>>>> > sentenced to
>>>> > > >death
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > by stoning for allegedly having relations with other men --
>>>> years
>>>> > after her
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > husband had passed away, despite stoning having been outlawed in
>>>> > Iran, and
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > > > despite her not being able to speak the language of her trial.
>>>> Her
>>>> > two
>>>> > > >children
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > launched a campaign to save her life, and generated a worldwide
>>>> > uproar,
>>>> > > > > > including over 554,000 Avaaz members. Feeling the pressure, the
>>>> > Iranian
>>>> > > > > > government revoked the stoning, but the execution sentence
>>>> stands.
>>>> >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Tension has been rising in Iran since the Sakineh case gained
>>>> > attention --
>>>> > > >the
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > regime has threatened to arrest her children for speaking out
>>>> and
>>>> > has
>>>> > > >issued an
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > arrest warrant against Sakineh's lawyer. He has now gone into
>>>> > hiding and
>>>> > > >his
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > family-members have been rounded-up.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > But Lula and Erdoğan have great respect in Iran and can
>>>> > influence the
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > > > regime. And they listen to us. Lula had said that he would not
>>>> get
>>>> > involved
>>>> > > >in
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > this case. But after an aide brought his attention to the
>>>> massive
>>>> > online
>>>> > > > > > campaign, he changed his mind, offering Sakineh asylum and
>>>> > prompting
>>>> > > >Iranian
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > authorities to announce that the case would be quickly
>>>> resolved.
>>>> > We know
>>>> > > >Lula
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > listens to Avaaz campaigns -- in the last year, despite
>>>> powerful
>>>> > > >opposition,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > members in Brazil have helped persuade Lula to sign off on a law
>>>>
>>>> > to protect
>>>> > > >the
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > Amazon and a bold anti-corruption law.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > During the last two weeks, over 554,000 of us have signed the
>>>> > petition to
>>>> > > >Save
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > Sakineh and end stoning in Iran. We only have days left to
>>>> > persu_ade Lula
>>>> > > >and
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > Erdoğan to act -- and it may be our last chance to save
>>>> > Sakineh. Let's
>>>> > > >each
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > pitch in a small amount and _make sure they hear our call to
>>>> > leadership:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (
>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_
>>>>
>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (
>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl ) _)
>>>>
>>>> > _
>>>> > > > > >
>>>>
>>>> > > > > > Sakineh's case has outraged the entire world by the sheer scale
>>>> of
>>>> > its
>>>> > > >brutal,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > nonsensical injustice. But in our fight for one woman we make a
>>>> > powerful
>>>> > > > > > statement about women, and people, everywhere. In standing up
>>>> for
>>>> > one
>>>> > > >person, we
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > stand up for everyone's right to justice.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Sakineh's children's have sent out a last plea: "Do not allow
>>>> our
>>>> > nightmare
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > become a reality, Today, when nearly all options have reached
>>>> > dead-ends, we
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > resort to you. Please help our mother return home!" Click here
>>>> to
>>>> > answer
>>>> > > >their
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > call, and get Erdoğan and Lula to do the same:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (
>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_
>>>>
>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (
>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl ) _)
>>>>
>>>> > _
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > With hope and determination,
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Alice, Pascal, Alice W, Ricken, David, and the Avaaz Team
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > SOURCES:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > The Guardian, "Iran stoning woman offered asylum by Brazil's
>>>> > President
>>>> > > >Lula":
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>> _ http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article__ (
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>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _
>>>>http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article_
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