Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00300)

In a message dated 07/29/03 9:12:34 AM, mail@katinkahesselink.net writes:
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>Now for the 
>question of whether HPB's karma could be interfered with -- that is a 
>different issue. First we would have to understand what it means to 
>interfere with somebody's karma. One way of putting it is that one 
>interfere's with somebody's karma if one forces them to start 
>believing in something they did not already believe in (through 
>hypnosis for instance), thereby causing a completely different set of 
>actions than that person would have otherwise done. This means in 
>effect that the skanda's of that person have been (without 
>permission) interfered with. 
>
>In the case of HPB her will wasn't tampered with. She was given the 
>choice to go on as she had been and then when she said: yes I want to 
>go on, they invested energy in her in order for her to make it 
>possible to go on with the work she had taken on. It was a karmic 
>investment so to speak, done for the wellfare of humanity. Still, I 
>don't think they interfered with her karma, and they certainly did 
>not go beyond it (which I think is impossible. Any action has 
>consequences, and eventually will come back to the actor; this must 
>even be true for the sort of karmic interference I mention above).

Yes, since any action (karma) must be encoded as a moving force wave that can 
reflect in an equal and opposite reaction (which is also an encoded moving 
force wave of opposite polarity) and thus return to the actor.

But, by the same laws, when such a moving force of karma is faced by an equal 
and opposite karmic force traveling in the same medium, that initial force 
must be neutralized and, therefore, have no further effect on the initiator. 
Isn't this how one can transcend all past karma upon achieving a high level of 
adeptship or mastership and, by using the knowledge of creation so gained, 
creating counteracting karma? They say that the way to transcend one's karma can 
also be achieved by "stepping aside," out of its path so to speak, by initiat
ing a complete change of heart and mind, donning the Nirmanakaya robe, and 
taking on the arduous role of the Bodhisattva. Such an act of contrition and 
sacrifice, coupled with a pure mind and powerful will could very easily set up a 
wave of counteracting karmic force that would neutralize all previous past 
karma (of that individual spiritual being). On the other hand, no Master could 
say, "We refuse to interfere in anyone's karma" if they didn't have the power to 
do so.

The workings of karma are strange indeed (since its action and reaction can 
be modified by various means). It's only the fundamental "laws of karma" that 
are immutable. And those laws are simply "electrical" in nature -- even though 
they act on different levels of cosmic energy and vibration. (This for the 
metaphysicians among us who have thoroughly understood the Secret Doctrine.)

However, in the case of HPB, I think you are right in that all that was 
needed was for her to decide to carry on, and with the help of the Masters (perhaps 
as her guides) will her life threatening terminal disease into remission -- 
while she completed the job she found it necessary to take on for them. 
Besides, isn't it a theosophical maxim that "everything is in the mind"? If so, how 
can we separate the mind from its karma, or the spirit from its mind -- or 
either of them from the will that holds them together? (Except, perhaps, in 
Pralaya or Nirvana/Satori/Samhadi. :-)

Leon

>Katinka